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The World After Coronavirus

I don't see weed becoming legal or even tolerated in the UK for a while, tbh. Any time this debate is brought up in the UK, the verdict generally tends to be we've got bigger fish to fry...

No doubt, even by taking the approach of the Netherlands, tolerating the very harmless plant, is obviously something that would be beneficial for the UK society in general, this isn't even debatable, IMO, unless you're an uptight parent from an eternal 1976 world of worry. The positive reasons for legalizing marijuana are many, but sadly, too many people still live in that perpetually worrying world of 1976, still thinking Reefer Madness is a gripping, piece of scientific research that supports the idea that weed is the Devil's drug of choice, lol.

I do not partake but I was thinking how beneficial it is now for California to have it legalized. With everyone in lockdown, weed and alcohol sales are way up. I am thinking that if weed was illegal and sold by criminal dealers then more of the harder drugs would be going around.

In places where marijuana is popular but sales are illegal, I would expect to see a higher usage of opiates (from black market pain pills to heroin) vs where marijuana it is legal and sold by licensed retailers.
 
The World After Corona Virus?

20-25% unemployment, a new, years-long Great Depression, and with it the necessary and commensurate MASSIVE expansion of the State, in the guise of the "Welfare State".

Then the same way out will be found as for last one; a conflagration in which people willingly stampede back into work to produce the hardware (and software?) required for the mass destruction.

Enjoy.
 
The way things are going now, I think the USA is going to do even worse than expected. How unfortunate to have an idiot at the helm at a time like this. Trump needs to go ASAP, he keeps making things worse.

The Rest of the World Is Laughing at Trump
The president created a leadership vacuum. China intends to fill it


The Atlantic said:
Carl Bildt—a Swedish prime minister in the 1990s, a United Nations envoy during the Bosnian wars, and a foreign minister for many years after that—told me that, looking back on his 30-year career, he cannot remember a single international crisis in which the United States had no global presence at all. “Normally, when something happens”—a war, an earthquake—“everybody waits to see what the Americans are doing, for better or for worse, and then they calibrate their own response based on that.”
This time, Americans are doing … nothing. Or to be more specific, because plenty of American governors, mayors, doctors, scientists, and tech companies are doing things, the White House is doing nothing. There is no presidential leadership inside the United States; there is no American leadership in the world. Members of the G7—the U.S. and its six closest allies—did meet to write a joint statement. But even that tepid project ended in ludicrous rancor when the American secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, insisted on using the expression “Wuhan virus” and the others gave up in disgust. Not only is the president talking nonsense, not only is America absent, but the nation’s top diplomat is a caricature of a tough guy—someone who throws around insults in the absence of any capacity to influence events.
 
The way things are going now, I think the USA is going to do even worse than expected. How unfortunate to have an idiot at the helm at a time like this. Trump needs to go ASAP, he keeps making things worse.

The Rest of the World Is Laughing at Trump
The president created a leadership vacuum. China intends to fill it

....and yet if the latest Gallup poll is to be believed, more people in the US approve of his handling of the Coronavirus epidemic than disapprove. :confused:

Clearly the US has the leadership it wants. :(
 
Consider what will happen when the financial debt has to be paid, and Trump refuses to do so because it serves his interests better to claim that China created and let loose the virus with the sole purpose of spoiling his chances of reelection, so China owes the USA money, not the other way round.
Every business owner is screaming to be compensated for the losses caused by the virus, the banks wants them to pay their debts, landlords blaming tenants, nations blaming each other ....
Worse things may be in store for us than a mere depression.
 
I do think, and yeah it sounds weird to say it since "they are going under any day LOL" has been a joke for so long, that Covid-19 will be the fast moving brushfire that finally clears out the dying underbrush of business that have been hanging on by a pinky finger for a decade now.

Sears/Kmart, JC Penney, a lot of the mall-centric stores, ah maybe Barnes and Noble... I think we're finally gonna lose a lot of them. Ironically I don't think many of them go under during the actual crisis about... 1-6 months after because ironically most of them now don't have the cash flow to even liquidate themselves for bankruptcy.
 
The way things are going now, I think the USA is going to do even worse than expected. How unfortunate to have an idiot at the helm at a time like this. Trump needs to go ASAP, he keeps making things worse.

The Rest of the World Is Laughing at Trump
The president created a leadership vacuum. China intends to fill it

Indeed, from the same article

"Others are drawing even more radical conclusions, and with remarkable speed. The “disinfectant” comments—and the laughter that followed—mark not so much a turning point as an acceleration point, the moment when a transformation that began much earlier suddenly started to seem unstoppable. Although we are still only weeks into this pandemic, although the true scale of the health crisis and the economic catastrophe is still unknown, the outline of a very different, post-American, post-coronavirus world is already taking shape. It’s a world in which American opinions will count less, while the opinions of America’s rivals will count more. And that will change political dynamics in ways that Americans haven’t yet understood."

America's leadership (and I don't just mean Trump) have collectively shot themselves and their country in the foot. Once upon a time, the world would have expected America to be a major leader (if not the leader) in getting us out of this crisis. Not any more. America has become a laughing stock as the incompetent clown show masquerading as this Administration, have bumbled and stumbled their way through it. Its the Governors and city mayors who are leading America out of the crisis - Trump has abdicated this responsibility!

When I look at how our Prime Minister has dealt with this crisis and compared it with POTUS', its like its happening on a different planet. Ardern took it seriously almost from the get-go, and she allowed the experts to drive the response - when they said we need to "go hard and go early" to get on top of the pandemic, she did exactly that. We have her and her team to thank for the fact that we are tracking zero to low single figure new case numbers daily, and have a total of less than 1500 cases and only 20 deaths for a country of 4.8 million.

Its leaders like her and others who will collectively get us out of the hole we are in. The world after Covid 19 is going to be very different, possibly in some ways that we don't yet even know
 
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Even better, it might encourage more employers and employees to work remotely.

I've been wasting my time promoting it for a decade now, but when the lockdown ends, which will be gradual in NZ at least, it's going to give companies and staff the opportunity to see the benefits of it.

Who wouldn't want to avoid sitting in their car burning money for 2-3 hours a day?

I think the fact things aren't going to snap back to how they were might just help.

That would presumably be devastating for the commercial property market. If huge companies are going to have a large proportion of their workforce working from home, then they will no longer need huge office buildings.
 
Another thing about working from home/working from anywhere is the devolution of boundaries between personal and work life. If you can work from anywhere, that also means you can work at anywhen*. Will we snuggle on the couch with our spouses and give our kids baths in between Zoom meetings now? That's already started happening but as trend Covid 19 may be accelerating it.

*Claiming use of my poetic license
 
That would presumably be devastating for the commercial property market. If huge companies are going to have a large proportion of their workforce working from home, then they will no longer need huge office buildings.
The office I work in has 10 employees. For the past ten weeks we have been working from home. Starting in June we will be back in the office on rotating days, no more than five people at a time. Other companies that we do business with are instituting similar work schedules. This is due in part as a means of establishing social distancing at work, and partly because it was found that working from home was successful.
 
The office I work in has 800 employees. For the past 2 months there's been a staff of about 10 people on site - everyone else has been working from home.

When the powers that be decide that 75% (a figure I picked at random, but any figure will do) can successfully continue to work from home, what reason do they have to maintain an office that holds 800 people?

I'm hearing that one of the top six accountancy firms has told its staff that working from home will be the new normal from now on - they have 4,500 staff. If just half of them end up working from home, that's 2,000 desks no longer needed in expensive office space.
 
So if there is more working from home what will that do for home requirements? Does that mean that many homes will require an office, or maybe two? With extra hardware required for video conferencing and high speed internet. Plus good desktop computers.
 
So if there is more working from home what will that do for home requirements? Does that mean that many homes will require an office, or maybe two? With extra hardware required for video conferencing and high speed internet. Plus good desktop computers.


Yes I can see pressures on property prices in both directions - commercial property heading downwards and residential upwards. What this will actually lead to is anyone’s guess. I think that’s what futurologists are
supposed to tell us.


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Yes I can see pressures on property prices in both directions - commercial property heading downwards and residential upwards. What this will actually lead to is anyone’s guess. I think that’s what futurologists are
supposed to tell us.


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Around here several old HQ office buildings have been repurposed into residential properties. Can see that happening more, that will hopefully help with some of the areas in the U.K. that simply don’t have enough residential properties.
 
So if there is more working from home what will that do for home requirements? Does that mean that many homes will require an office, or maybe two? With extra hardware required for video conferencing and high speed internet. Plus good desktop computers.

You can join a Zoom call from any smartphone made in the last decade.

This is most probably a little bit of my own baggage floating into the discussion but after 20 years of doing System Admin for a half dozen systems using a 2 generation old Panasonic Toughbook laptop balanced on my knee while I sat on an old toolbox in the corner of my ship's Comms room the whole as it pitched and rolled in the North Atlantic the whole "I simply must have an ergonomically perfect, dual monitor, distraction free work space to even begin to function" thing go old for me a long time ago.

Nice desk setups are 90% about image and ego.
 
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Nice desk setups are 90% about image and ego.

There are health and safety considerations too. I am constantly having to complete surveys at work about the position of my desk, monitor, keyboard etc. I presume there are laws about this so employers cannot be sued for injuries caused by bad positioning. Once people start suing their companies for the bad backs they got due to having to work from home on a coffee table while kneeling on the floor things will get interesting.


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