Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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Matthew Cline said:
CDA 230 was made in response to the successful lawsuit against Prodigy. In that lawsuit the court held Prodigy to be a publisher because it moderated its forums at all, and because it was legally a publisher it was found liable for defamatory content a user posted in its forums. If CDA 230 protections really were stripped from Twitter then the only way it could avoid liability would be to do no moderation whatsoever.
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...And thus let the foreign disinformation bots go wild. Which, Trump almost certainly thinks would be beneficial to him.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

I can’t stand back & watch this happen to a great American City, Minneapolis. A total lack of leadership. Either the very weak Radical Left Mayor, Jacob Frey, get his act together and bring the City under control, or I will send in the National Guard & get the job done right.....

....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!
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What is it boy* ?

Can you hear the whistle ?

Who's a good boy then ?


* - yet another whistle - I'm so frikkkin** meta

** - and another, I'm on fire this morning :rolleyes:
 
Twitters notice
We have placed a public interest notice on this Tweet from @realDonaldTrump. We’ve taken action in the interest of preventing others from being inspired to commit violent acts, but have kept the Tweet on Twitter because it is important that the public still be able to see the Tweet given its relevance to ongoing matters of public importance. As is standard with this notice, engagements with the Tweet will be limited. People will be able to Retweet with Comment, but will not be able to Like, Reply or Retweet it.”
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Captain_Swoop said:
Twitters notice

We have placed a public interest notice on this Tweet from @realDonaldTrump. We’ve taken action in the interest of preventing others from being inspired to commit violent acts, but have kept the Tweet on Twitter because it is important that the public still be able to see the Tweet given its relevance to ongoing matters of public importance. As is standard with this notice, engagements with the Tweet will be limited. People will be able to Retweet with Comment, but will not be able to Like, Reply or Retweet it.”
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

:popcorn1

I had assumed that Twitter would bow to pressure and remove any kind of warning from President Trump's previous post and refuse to flag any others. I may have been wrong in that assumption.
 
I can’t stand back & watch this happen to a great American City, Minneapolis. A total lack of leadership. Either the very weak Radical Left Mayor, Jacob Frey, get his act together and bring the City under control, or I will send in the National Guard & get the job done right.....

....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!
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Trump just loves fanning the flames, doesn't he.

As is standard with this notice, engagements with the Tweet will be limited. People will be able to Retweet with Comment, but will not be able to Like, Reply or Retweet it.”
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No likes? Trump is probably mad as all **** right now.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

@Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is today criticizing Twitter. “We have a different policy than Twitter on this. I believe strongly that Facebook shouldn’t be the arbiter of truth of everything that people say online.” Did Twitter criticize Obama for his “you can keep your Dr.”?
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Oh, god....you little *****. Get over it. You're not Obama. Never have been and never will be. You are **** on the bottom of his shoes.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

MAIL-IN VOTING WILL LEAD TO MASSIVE FRAUD AND ABUSE. IT WILL ALSO LEAD TO THE END OF OUR GREAT REPUBLICAN PARTY. WE CAN NEVER LET THIS TRAGEDY BEFALL OUR NATION. BIG MAIL-IN VICTORY IN TEXAS COURT TODAY. CONGRATS!!!
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Yes. Please. Very much please.
 
Matthew Cline said:
CDA 230 was made in response to the successful lawsuit against Prodigy. In that lawsuit the court held Prodigy to be a publisher because it moderated its forums at all, and because it was legally a publisher it was found liable for defamatory content a user posted in its forums. If CDA 230 protections really were stripped from Twitter then the only way it could avoid liability would be to do no moderation whatsoever.

The question is: do judges have follow an executive order saying how they're supposed interpret a law passed by Congress? I'd think that an executive order wouldn't apply to the judicial branch, but IANAL.
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I understand where you are going, but there's a double negative backflip here. The other way is to moderate EVERYTHING on their forums. Heavily. So they never get to be liable for defamation. So, as I said, Twitter could simply blank out everything Trump. Black hole the lot of it. No Trump crap => no defamation by him or to him. Go back to kitten recipes only. It's a private company. How is anyone but them going to force them to publish what they don't want to publish?
 
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Bob001 said:
Twitter etc. are private entities. I don't think they could be sued for "political bias" any more than the NY Times, MSNBC, Fox News, Mother Jones, National Review, etc. Gawker was sued for publishing private sex tapes. And the DOJ doesn't sue anybody for political bias, and it wouldn't have anything to say about a civil suit by one private party against another.

The real issue is that if the media companies lose their identity as an analog of the phone company, they would be responsible for everything that appears on their sites, just as the NYT is. Anybody who is offended or aggrieved by anything anybody posted would be able to sue Twitter, not the poster, for libel, invasion of privacy and whatever other grounds their lawyers could come up with. In effect, Twitter, Facebook etc. would become publishers, legally liable for everything they publish. The other side is that if Congress tries to change the laws, court cases would go on for years, maybe decades. It took 10 years for the DOJ to break up Bell.

I think Jack Dorsey ought to call out Trump by banning him and all of his enablers and even the word "Trump" from his site. Nothing Trump could do could take effect before the election. I bet Orange Man would change his tune.
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President Trump isn’t well known for changing his tune. He rather prides himself on being a Johnny-One-Note.

If Mr. Dorsey were to follow your suggestion, the president would sing the “I’m so Persecuted Blues” more loudly than he ever has. Dorsey would most likely find himself holding the record for most of death threats against a US citizen who has never worked in sports or government. Orange Man would praise the death threats in a veiled or even unveiled manner.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Funny, because it seems to me like your posts have been excuses for why going off half-cocked based on something you heard third-hand from a stranger on the internet isn't something that you're at all culpable for. Is it the Onion's fault if someone posts a rant on Facebook triggered by believing one of their articles to be true?

And why would I need to make an excuse for participating in a joke? Posted to a board dedicated to critical thinking, no less.
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Captain_Swoop said:
Twitter added the following to Trump's Tweet about 'when the looting starts, the shooting starts'




The tweet has been hidden behind the following statement with a 'View tweet' link put in its place.
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Oh, to be a fly on the wall when Trump saw that! He's gonna have a stroke. :D
 
Stacyhs said:
Oh, to be a fly on the wall when Trump saw that! He's gonna have a stroke. :D
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It also means people can't like the tweet. He's going to go ballistic over that. I'm sure Trump is narcassistic enough to obsess over the likes and retweets of every single Tweet he posts.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I understand where you are going, but there's a double negative backflip here. The other way is to moderate EVERYTHING on their forums. Heavily. So they never get to be liable for defamation.
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There's so many tweets every day that there's no way they could possibly moderate every single one of them. And even if they somehow could, the moderates are still human, they'll periodically make mistakes and let something through that Twitter would be liable for.

So, as I said, Twitter could simply blank out everything Trump. Black hole the lot of it. No Trump crap => no defamation by him or to him.
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If they lose the liability protection of CDA 230 it's not just in regard to one subject, they lose that protection for everything in all contexts (that is, moderting Trump's tweets wouldn't make them liable only for things regarding Trump). Without that protection, moderating at all would legally make them a publisher, and as a publisher they'd be liable for any defamatory tweet by anyone about anyone, because they'd legally be the publisher of those tweets. Prodigy was found to be a publisher because it removed comments containing vulgar language. Their efforts to remove vulgar language had nothing at all to do with what they were sued over, yet they still lost the lawsuit because those efforts to remove dirty words legally made them the publisher of a comment containing no dirty words.
 
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