Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 22

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And the few Republicans who thought they could do a 25th Amendment read up on it and learned that not only do you need 2/3 of the Senate and the House, you need the VP to put his signature on it. I believe it would be easier to get Trump’s signature on a paper saying Trump was too crazy to hold office than it would be to get Pence’s signature on that paper.
 
MRC_Hans said:
I think, and it is probably wishful thinking, that a fair number of Republicans, perhaps even a lot, are people of intelligence and integrity. They jumped on the Trump bandwagon, because there was no alternative, and he seemed to be a useful idiot. However, he has become a loose cannon, and they would dearly want to get rid of him. But they can't, without giving the WH to the Dems. And they don't want to be smeared as dissidents. So they hope he will either burn out or loose the the election. THEN they can wash their hands and put all the blame on Trump.
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With the proviso that, by "fair number of Republicans," we're talking about the rank-and-file, I would agree that a lot, even most of them, are people with intelligence and integrity- I just don't think it's necessary to demonize people with whom I simply don't agree on politics; even aside from the utility of it, it's painting with too broad a brush to call them stupid or mean, the same sort of brush they use when they paint liberals as evil commies (or whatever). As for the intelligence of McConnell and others- my questions are predicated on that assumption, it's the integrity I doubt.

This just might make a lot of GOP voters, not vote the other way, but stay home. In this context, Joe Biden, who honestly deserves Trumps nickname, Sleepy Joe, could be a good thing: He is acceptably harmless and probably won't last more than one term. So Republicans fed up with Trump can bear having him in the WH for a term.

Then, I hope, the Dems will use the time to find a serious candidate.

.. Whazzit?! Oh, just woke up. ... What DID I dream? :boggled:

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I wonder if Biden couldn't make a winning strategy of promising to serve only one term? Something along the lines of "we need a return to normalcy after four years of the un-ending ****-show that has been the Trump presidency. If you elect me, I will serve four years only, to allow America to catch its breath, to allow the decent Republicans to re-assert themselves openly, and then let there be a fair trial of policies, as opposed to just cut-throat politics." This is not to say that Biden couldn't push policies he believed in during his four years, since those would also be out in the open, and he would, after all, owe something to people who voted for him out of belief in those policies, not just as the anti-Trump; but a kind of caretaker Presidency maybe wouldn't be such a bad thing after what has pretty well defined the worst thing.

I dunno, just a thought that occurred to me- I'm sure there are all kind of valid objections to the idea.
 
Ladewig said:
Off the record, there are hundreds of Republican Congress-critters who say, “sure, I could speak out against Trump’s actions, but even if I critize one tiny part of his behavior, he will attack me with a scorched-earth fervor. And that means a Trump-backed loon will challenge me in the primary and win. And then in the election, the Trump-backed loon will lose to the Democrat. I do not believe turning my seat over to a Democrat helps me, my constituents, or my country. Therefore I am not going to be the first one to stop clapping at a Saddam Hussein rally.”
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Well, as alfaniner says, there are probably going to be plenty who will be willing to go on the record like that after the ****-show is over. They may truly believe they are doing the best thing for the country by doing the best thing for their party- but I would just counter that that sort of argument depends on seeing the priorities backward, and that a party that depends so heavily on one lunatic's approval maybe isn't worth the saving.
 
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alfaniner said:
I wonder at what tipping point many (any?) Trump supporters are going to wake up and say "What was I thinking? How did I not see this before? This guy is absolutely ******* insane!"
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Really?

I think we are past that point many many times.
There is nothing to tip anymore.
 
Can I get some help please? After Trump insisted everyone should go back to church, I assumed there’d be footage of him attending a large, public service this morning.
Can’t seem to find it, does anyone know if he went to church?
 
Trump Tweets

I always stand with leaders who weren’t afraid to stand early with me. That’s why I am supporting a true conservative, @DanJohnstonND for State Treasurer of North Dakota!

Cases, numbers and deaths are going down all over the Country!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

I always stand with leaders who weren’t afraid to stand early with me. That’s why I am supporting a true conservative, @DanJohnstonND for State Treasurer of North Dakota!

Cases, numbers and deaths are going down all over the Country!
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Wrong. Also, how do deaths EVER go down? Is he bringing some of them back?
 
slyjoe said:
Wrong. Also, how do deaths EVER go down? Is he bringing some of them back?
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I'm pretty sure he means death rates. But no doubt some of his acolytes would believe he could raise the dead if he told them he could.
 
turingtest said:
I've been wondering how McConnell and the other Republican heavyweights feel every time Trump tweets (or re-tweets) some truly foul thing(s) like the above. Surely, any decent human being's reaction has got to be "oh, for chrissake! This is the President???!!?!?!?" And for those Republicans to realize that this guy is also the head of their party, the guy who represents them- that must, on some level, make them wonder just what the **** it is they're doing when they keep propping him up. Is it really too late for them to just cut their losses, admit out loud what a lot of them have to be thinking to themselves ("what a moron!"), and hope for a better figure-head the next time around? Surely just about any other Republican can get their policies passed, if the policies are that good? Or do they just shrug and say "well, it was a winning strategy before, so what the hell..."?

Well, those are mostly rhetorical questions, I guess, especially the last- they don't care about policy, they care about politics, and winning isn't everything, it's the only thing that counts in that.
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Maybe they are taking the stance of a pro - that is, a pro will do what has to be done to promote your team - like a sports team - and everyone knows that tough stuff has to be put up with because that's how the game is played, no hard feelings. Politics is a rough business.

I am NOT endorsing this approach, only ID'ing it for what it is, and putting it out as part of the reason, perhaps, for our current insanity. Understanding that politics is dirty business is one thing, but it's also about running a country, too, with actual people in it who suffer or benefit by playing the dirty game.
 
alfaniner said:
What is really going to piss me off, and I'm sure it's going to happen, is that sometime next year after Trump is out, some Republican is going to be interviewed and say "Oh, we knew he was an idiot all the time! We just went along because he was the leader of the Party." I know, it's actually been said by some of the people he fired.
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I don't think you'll hear that from Senators or Congressmen who still need the support of the Know-Nothings.
 
turingtest said:
I wonder if Biden couldn't make a winning strategy of promising to serve only one term? Something along the lines of "we need a return to normalcy after four years of the un-ending ****-show that has been the Trump presidency. If you elect me, I will serve four years only, to allow America to catch its breath, to allow the decent Republicans to re-assert themselves openly, and then let there be a fair trial of policies, as opposed to just cut-throat politics." This is not to say that Biden couldn't push policies he believed in during his four years, since those would also be out in the open, and he would, after all, owe something to people who voted for him out of belief in those policies, not just as the anti-Trump; but a kind of caretaker Presidency maybe wouldn't be such a bad thing after what has pretty well defined the worst thing.

I dunno, just a thought that occurred to me- I'm sure there are all kind of valid objections to the idea.
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The first one that comes to mind is that it gives the GOP that much more reason to obstruct, in hopes that they win in four years.

Of course, it's unclear how much more they could obstruct.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

I always stand with leaders who weren’t afraid to stand early with me. That’s why I am supporting a true conservative, @DanJohnstonND for State Treasurer of North Dakota!

Cases, numbers and deaths are going down all over the Country!
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Though not, notably, in North Dakota.
 
turingtest said:
Well, as alfaniner says, there are probably going to be plenty who will be willing to go on the record like that after the ****-show is over. They may truly believe they are doing the best thing for the country by doing the best thing for their party- but I would just counter that that sort of argument depends on seeing the priorities backward, and that a party that depends so heavily on one lunatic's approval maybe isn't worth the saving.
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Hmmm. I never thought of it from that perspective.
What I described is the equivalent of saying, I would rather give explicit and implicit support to a chuckle-headed president who is willing to endanger the country rather than admit the tiniest of flaws than to have one single democrat added to the House of Representatives.

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what I described could also be motivated by saying as bad as Toddler-In-Chief is, Pence would be worse so I won’t speak out.
 
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MRC_Hans said:
I think, and it is probably wishful thinking, that a fair number of Republicans, perhaps even a lot, are people of intelligence and integrity. They jumped on the Trump bandwagon, because there was no alternative, and he seemed to be a useful idiot. However, he has become a loose cannon, and they would dearly want to get rid of him. But they can't, without giving the WH to the Dems. And they don't want to be smeared as dissidents. So they hope he will either burn out or loose the the election. THEN they can wash their hands and put all the blame on Trump.
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When I was growing up, a lot of Americans held to the notion, "Politics ends at the water's edge". That is, when dealing with other countries, you stood together as Americans, no matter what your domestic differences might have been.

That attitude has gone by the wayside of late, but I'd like to promote a renewed vision of such a thing, tweaked for the modern era: "Politics ends at the President's buttocks". If the President is so bad that you think you need to kiss his ass to make the country work, it's time to ditch that President, no matter which party they are from.
 
carlosy said:
Really?

I think we are past that point many many times.
There is nothing to tip anymore.
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Sure, we're past that point with intelligent people and independents. The key words were "Trump supporters." I don't think the remainder are all entirely irredeemable.
 
Perhaps the man who has emerged as trump's most crucial ally, Kentucky senator Mitch McConnell, needs to stay on good terms with trump. One thing I have discovered from reading local news stories about McConnell is, he's very unpopular in his home state. He usually has the lowest approval rating -- and highest disapproval rating -- of any U.S. senator. Right now he's at 41% approve and 48% disapprove his performance. Even among Kentuckians who identify as Republicans, he only gets a 69% approval rating. McConnell is up for reelection this Fall and without trump's help Mitch might find himself out of office. Public Policy Polling Kentucky

Below is a billboard put up by a local pro-Democratic PAC along I-75 in Berea Kentucky. The McConnells estimate their net worth as "ranging from $13.42 million to $54.56 million. The couple has a variety of assets, including bank accounts, trusts, mutual funds, retirement accounts and stocks." gobankingrates.com Most of it actually comes from his wife's side of the family. McConnell makes it easy not to like him. ;)
 

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Of course there is footage of Trump going to church. He stood at the front pew pretending to conduct the choir, and when the priest tried to give a sermon Trump walked up to him and pushed him aside with a smirk on his face and proceeded to give a glowering speech on how much God loved him and how the fake news media was tanking, and how the invisible Democrat hoax was driven back to China, and how lovable and huggable the choir girls all were, if only he had been their age.

Naturally, evil fake news MSM did not cover any of this, but his ratings were yuge, and priests from most of the country, all of the country, all of the world, are calling him saying, sir, what a lovely performance at the sermon, you really should be a priest if you weren't President.
 
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