There is a history. This article addressed Lieberman soon after the false alarm HI experienced that a nuke-armed missile was incoming:
HuffPo Part XVI. “THIS IS NOT A DRILL”: Response to Jeffrey Lieberman
Lieberman accuses Lee of being like a Nazi, this article starts with death camp survivor, Elie Wiesel, quote about not sitting by.
Yesterday morning, Hawaiians awakened to the horror of imminent extinction from incoming ballistic missiles, with official alerts that “THIS IS NOT A DRILL.” The false alarm was identified after 38 minutes of panic and dread. A day later, Trump himself still has not been heard from on the subject. ...
We are all aware of Trump’s befuddlement as to why we have a nuclear arsenal if we do not intend to use it. We are all aware of him blurting out his “fire and fury” threats against North Korea, along with his myriad unfiltered tweets attacking “Little Rocket Man,” Kim Jong-Un. He has shamed nuclear-armed Pakistan and India in other tweets. Staggeringly, many Americans continue to see this as strategic “crazy like a fox” behavior despite mounting evidence that it is uncontained “crazy like a crazy” recklessness and disconnection from reality.
And yet a vocal few in the mental health field pontificate on the so-called Goldwater Rule of the American Psychiatric Association, with schizophrenia drug researcher Jeffrey Lieberman as the chief mouthpiece.
The Biden thread was bogged down (hopefully that is ending) with complaints about the character of his accuser so I'm going to let you all read the parts of the article that point out Lieberman's own serious ethical problems with how he treated schizophrenics.
Suffice it to say I am reminded of the scientists who denied global warming, evolution, the harm from second hand smoke (the original Merchants of Doubt), Reyes Syndrome's connection to aspirin and so on. The point is, there always seem to be these rogue doctors and scientists who take up a fringe position and get lots of attention and often funding for it from the science deniers.
This guy Lieberman has an agenda besides some dedication to the ethics of the APA.
This explains that his 'power' or influence in the APA is not what it seems. I thought it was being loved, admired and influential in the APA but that's not it at all. It was/is a conscious concerted effort to discredit Lee. Unless Lieberman is a one-man sycophant on a crusade for Trump, there is more behind this. And I don't think my suspicion belongs in the CT forum.
The article suggests maybe he is a Trumper:
... despite Mr. Lieberman’s slanderous assertion that the book is “tawdry, indulgent, fatuous, tabloid psychiatry” driven by partisan politics.
I dunno, is he vying for a position in the Trump administration? Did someone hire him to go on all those talk shows?
The article's authors support the Goldwater Rule, within limits:
We support the prohibition against thoughtless, gratuitous commentary that the Goldwater Rule originally intended. Mental health professionals should indeed be restrained from careless psychological speculation on the young children of presidents, unstable celebrities, or public figures who pose no danger. But the anachronistic rule itself has no more applicability to Trump than a buggy whip used to get a car moving that has no gas.
This one's for you
xjx388 and your continual harping that you wanted to see the research:
There's plenty more in the article including discussion of a scientific meta-analysis that concludes:
... that the research thoroughly debunks any scientific basis to the claim of higher value in personal interviews:
And this addresses my gripe at the beginning of this thread about Dr Frances and his "I wrote the book" and Trump isn't mentally ill because he's successful and the other arguments Dr Frances made:
An inane argument has been raised by psychiatrist Allen Frances and mimicked by Mr. Lieberman: bad behavior is not necessarily indicative of emotional instability, just as emotional instability is not necessarily indicative of bad behavior. What’s the point? Eating pretzels is not necessarily indicative of emotional instability and the converse is also true. Sophistry is the term for the use of arguments that sound clever and plausible but are in fact false, often with the intention of tricking or deceiving.
This article was written long before Trump's failure in a real crisis. It was written after Trump failed to respond to a false alarm that there were incoming nukes. GW didn't stop reading the goat story to kids when told of the first tower being hit. His staff pulled him out after the second tower was hit. At that time I thought and still think Bush really did have a deer in the headlights look because he didn't know what to do.
Well when there was an alarm of incoming nukes in HI, Trump was golfing and kept golfing surpassing even the stupidity of GW. At least Bush had decent people around him that acted. Not Trump. Trump had only sycophants around him, afraid to express any independent thought in Trump's presence.
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He is definitely both.
