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JoeMorgue said:
GLYNN COUNTY, Ga. — The Georgia Bureau of Investigation arrested William “Roddie” Bryan Jr., age 50, on Thursday on charges of Felony Murder & Criminal Attempt to Commit False Imprisonment, according to a news release.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/...ted-murder-charge/H4Z6Z557ZNAINIHAZKH5XQWLKM/
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Good. His story of innocence stunk to high heaven. It makes no sense given the timeline that he would so quickly, totally coincidentally join the chase and accidentally, coincidentally herd Ahmaud into the waiting, armed roadblock.

Ahmaud might not have run at his murderer at all if there wasn't a second vehicle behind him.
 
Thermal said:
Now things are starting to make sense. Couldn't figure out why he was staying clean
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The Attempted False Imprisonment charge is interesting. It's going to neuter any claim of self defense for Travis and company. If they were planning on going that route. It also counters the citizens arrest claim. And provides the nexus by which to charge Roddy for murder.

It really shows how the GBI are putting this together. It was an unlawful chase, an attempted false imprisonment, which you are allowed to resist, followed by a murder.

I'd be OK with Roddy rolling on Travis and company, for a deal. I kinda expect it.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Laws very state by state, but most come to the reasonable conclusion that someone committing a murder while committing a felony is an adequate substitute for malice/premeditation.

Premeditation is usually only a key factor when the murder itself is the only crime.

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Yeah. I already pointed that out, too. Mens rea is not a necessary element of felony murder.

That's what that means.

You keep acting like I'm disagreeing with you while I keep trying to get you to understand I already said the same thing.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Breaking News: William "Roddie" Bryan has been arrested by the GBI.

(On the 5 O'clock news I'm watching on TV right now. Will link to a source when one is available)
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Good. I called this and was ridiculed upthread. He will almost certainly bargain for a reduced term when he inevitably spills the beans on the hillbillies.
 
Babbylonian said:
Good. His story of innocence stunk to high heaven. It makes no sense given the timeline that he would so quickly, totally coincidentally join the chase and accidentally, coincidentally herd Ahmaud into the waiting, armed roadblock.

Ahmaud might not have run at his murderer at all if there wasn't a second vehicle behind him.
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And this point has been ignored by the McMichael apologists.
 
lionking said:
Good. I called this and was ridiculed upthread. He will almost certainly bargain for a reduced term when he inevitably spills the beans on the hillbillies.
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If you had to guess, what do you think Roddie will reveal when he spills the beans on the hillbillies?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Breaking News: William "Roddie" Bryan has been arrested by the GBI.

(On the 5 O'clock news I'm watching on TV right now. Will link to a source when one is available)
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I bet Roddie regrets taking that video now. Almost certainly would have got away with it had he not tried to collect his souvenir of a lynching.

Curious about the timing. Earlier this week the GBI executed a search warrant on the McMichael's house, now this belated arrest of Roddie. Wonder what has changed over the last few weeks. I keep thinking back to unsubstantiated rumors of social media chatter by the killers when it seemed like the case wasn't going anywhere. Maybe a computer got seized?

His false imprisonment charge makes the most sense of all of this. If the reporting so far of the murder is correct, Roddie had no way of having immediate knowledge of anything. The reporting up to now makes it seem like he just saw the chase and joined in. I suspect there was more coordination than that between the three murderers.

quadraginta said:
Yeah. I already pointed that out, too. Mens rea is not a necessary element of felony murder.

That's what that means.

You keep acting like I'm disagreeing with you while I keep trying to get you to understand I already said the same thing.
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Apologies, though I don't think I'm the original person you were having the back and forth with. But yeah, I misread your post.
 
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Joe Random said:
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I just honestly don't get the logic. When you've already called the cops you decide you just have to personally go and stop the guy who you think has been stealing stuff at a near by construction site. Pretty stupid just with that alone. But then you think "maybe he has a gun" and your next thought isn't "better let the cops handle it", but rather "better get my own gun just in case"?

******* hell, people. This isn't Tombstone, FFS.
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In Tombstone they were supposed to turn in their guns when they came into town. That's what the dust-up at the O.K. Corral was about.

To Provide against Carrying of Deadly Weapons

Section 1. It is hereby declared unlawful to carry in the hand or upon the person or otherwise any deadly weapon within the limits of said city of Tombstone, without first obtaining a permit in writing.

Section 2: This prohibition does not extend to persons immediately leaving or entering the city, who, with good faith, and within reasonable time are proceeding to deposit, or take from the place of deposit such deadly weapon.

Section 3: All fire-arms of every description, and bowie knives and dirks, are included within the prohibition of this ordinance.​

— Tombstone City Ordinance Number 9 Effective April 19, 1881, [42]

The ordinance was the legal basis for City Marshal Virgil Earp's decision to confront the Cowboys on the day of the shootout.[43]
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Thermal said:
The whole gig witb open/concealed carry is that you are allowed to bring your gun for any public eventuality(with a few exceptions like schools), so I think the hillbillies were legally clean on bringing weapons. If you can bring them to the grocery store, you can bring them on your own street.

That's why I think it wasn't malice afterthought, if you legally carry a gun in your State the way other people carry their phone.
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As an abstraction, sure. In the context of the facts, no.

They weren't carrying guns and just so happened to get involved with Arbery. They fetched guns for the purpose of unlawful imprisonment.

This is like arguing that armed robbers were just open carrying before they knocked over a bank. Context is important. The McMichaels were carrying weapons in order to commit an unlawful act.
 
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Skeptic Tank said:
If you had to guess, what do you think Roddie will reveal when he spills the beans on the hillbillies?
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Collusion and planning well before they started the hunt. Hitting the whole “spur of the moment pursuing a thrift” scenario right out of the park.

What do you think will be revealed? He can’t reasonably say “I wasn’t involved”. He was clearly slowly following Arbery and ensuring he ran towards the ambushers. He can only argue for limited involvement which will require testifying against the other hillbillies.

You might imagine him saying they were all righteously justified. He is no doubt stupid, but I doubt his lawyer is.
 
Thermal said:
The whole gig witb open/concealed carry is that you are allowed to bring your gun for any public eventuality(with a few exceptions like schools), so I think the hillbillies were legally clean on bringing weapons. If you can bring them to the grocery store, you can bring them on your own street.

That's why I think it wasn't malice afterthought, if you legally carry a gun in your State the way other people carry their phone.
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The father in the truck might be able to claim he was open carrying. He may have already had the gun on his hip before he left and he didn't draw until the struggle started. The son deliberately, and with malice aforethought, got a shotgun out of the car before he began his assault.

He could have left the shotgun in the truck, he can't claim he was just taking his shotgun out for a walk when he was planning an assault.
 
Leftus said:
The Attempted False Imprisonment charge is interesting. It's going to neuter any claim of self defense for Travis and company. If they were planning on going that route. It also counters the citizens arrest claim. And provides the nexus by which to charge Roddy for murder.

It really shows how the GBI are putting this together. It was an unlawful chase, an attempted false imprisonment, which you are allowed to resist, followed by a murder.

I'd be OK with Roddy rolling on Travis and company, for a deal. I kinda expect it.
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I've been surprised that the McMichaels were not charged with false imprisonment, either instead of or in addition to aggravated assault.

The aggravated assault and felony murder charge seems a bit circuitous and difficult. Aggravated assault that results in death is...murder. So why not just go straight to murder? It seems a bit like saying someone murdered someone, which is a felony, and someone died as a result of that felony, which is also felony murder. I'm guessing they are going with the angle that pointing the bun at Arbery was aggravated assault, and Arbery died as a result of that felony, so it is felony murder. But then I'm not sure why it isn't just murder.

The aggravated assault charge is more difficult because they will have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Travis unlawfully pointed the gun at Arbery. It isn't clear in the video when that happened. Plus, there can be the claim of self defense. That gets into the whole messy business of whether or not Travis had the right to use deadly force to protect himself from someone who was charging at him and maybe grabbing his gun.

I think that winds out to Travis not having a claim to self defense because Arbery had a right to charge because he was being illegally detained. That's false imprisonment. The only defense to that charge would be citizen's arrest, which is on very shaky ground at best. A false imprisonment charge for the McMichaels seems pretty solid.

"The restraint constituting a false imprisonment may arise out of words, acts, gestures or the like, which induce a reasonable apprehension that force will be used if plaintiff does not submit; and it is sufficient if they operate upon the will of the person threatened, and result in a reasonable fear of personal difficulty or personal injuries." Sinclair Refining Co. v. Meek, 62 Ga. App. 850, 854 (10 SE2d 76).
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This originates from 25 C.J. 454
 
lionking said:
Collusion and planning well before they started the hunt. Hitting the whole “spur of the moment pursuing a thrift” scenario right out of the park.

What do you think will be revealed? He can’t reasonably say “I wasn’t involved”. He was clearly slowly following Arbery and ensuring he ran towards the ambushers. He can only argue for limited involvement which will require testifying against the other hillbillies.

You might imagine him saying they were all righteously justified. He is no doubt stupid, but I doubt his lawyer is.
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Is there evidence of the highlighted? I haven't dug deeply into all the reports, but the ones I did saw early on didn't make him out to be more than a bystander who took out his camera when this disgusting thing was happening. Are there any signs of a previous relationship between him and the other two guys?
 
lionking said:
Collusion and planning well before they started the hunt. Hitting the whole “spur of the moment pursuing a thrift” scenario right out of the park.

What do you think will be revealed? He can’t reasonably say “I wasn’t involved”. He was clearly slowly following Arbery and ensuring he ran towards the ambushers. He can only argue for limited involvement which will require testifying against the other hillbillies.

You might imagine him saying they were all righteously justified. He is no doubt stupid, but I doubt his lawyer is.
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I'm guessing the most salacious thing that may end up revealed will be either one of the McMichaels calling out to him from the truck saying "there's that guy who's been stealing stuff! we're going to try to stop him getting away until the cops arrive!" as they drove past his place, and him hopping in his car to "help" (gawk)

Or, at worst, the same approximate thing but via text instead.

I think everyone in the courtroom from judge, prosecutors, defense attorney and Roddie himself, if this ever enters court, will all be completely aware of why he was charged. Same reason as the McMichaels: public pressure and black bloodlust.
 
Max_mang said:
Is there evidence of the highlighted? I haven't dug deeply into all the reports, but the ones I did saw early on didn't make him out to be more than a bystander who took out his camera when this disgusting thing was happening. Are there any signs of a previous relationship between him and the other two guys?
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He didn't just happen by. He joined the chase and followed Ahmaud while the other scum set up to cut him off. And note that he never called the cops which would have been the natural reaction of any reasonable person witnessing and then participating in this kind of chase.
 
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