Presidential Greatness

You're not allowed to accumulate wealth and be a warrior for the poor and middle-class....[/Trumpanzee]
 
theprestige said:
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His ideology. Ignorance and idiocy. Seriously,I can't remember a President that has made stupidity and ignorance a brand to follow like Trump has. It reminds of a joke that my father use to repeat. There is no problem, that brute force and ignorance can't overcome.

Science? What's that? Doh! It's like we made Homer Simpson President.
 
theprestige said:
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He's pretty much a non-ideological opportunist. No idea why you'd want to try to group him under the heading of conservative thought or ideology.
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By what political ideology do his supporters in Congress identify themselves? By what political ideology do his supporters at Fox News identify themselves? By what political affiliation do most of his supporters at web blog sites identify themselves? In fact, by what political affiliation does Trump identify himself and constantly seeks to present himself as the opposite of “liberals” and “socialists?”

But his is not a true Scotsman conservatism? Trump hijacked conservatism as previously defined and made it his. But the vast majority of those who were conservatives hopped on the new train willingly and continue to support him slavishly to this day. They must find him conservative enough for their tastes.

More so, it may be a new conservatism but the old conservatism planted the roots and watered the ground for Trump. Old conservatism exploited racism for political gain starting with the Southern Strategy and continuing with dog whistles and nods and winks up until Trump appeared. It defined and laid the foundations for most of the memes used by Trump. It invited the right wing and evangelistic crazies into the tent hoping to exploit them, only to discover the accuracy of the camel nose metaphor. None of this was invented by Trump. Trump’s conservatism grew directly from and is what conservatism has become.

But I do understand your desire to deny this. Interesting that so many of your posts are in support of Trump. Do you identify yourself as conservative?
 
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"... the old conservatism planted the roots and watered the ground for Trump."

I'd characterize the old conservatism as spreading the fertilizer, so that Trump could put down a deep tap root.
 
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theprestige said:
I'm not the one telling you to use Donald Trump as your benchmark.

And it's not like the thread is about speculative future presidents. You're the one who saw Kushner on TV and were inspired to introduce him as a non sequitur. What is Kushner doing for you, that you can't even keep him out of your head long enough to talk about historical presidents?
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Her’s the post that started the rent free accusation.

Ladewig said:
You’re right if we limit ourselves to people who have already held office, but if we were to speculate about the future, I’m pretty sure Donald, Don Jr, and Jared could seize that title.
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Someone mentioned a record that had been set. Very often, when records are discussed, people speculate about who might break that record.
Of all the people who want to be president, those two are closer than everybody when it comes to being as venal, corruptible, narrow-minded, self-centered, and Dishonest As President Trump. (I did limit myself to real people - there are cartoon villains and buffoons that come close to the president’s incompetence.

Personally, I think the fact that I mentioned each of them no more than once in the past seven months is evidence that I am not doing the rent-free thingie. You may come to a different conclusion.
 
theprestige said:
One, Trump's not a conservative.
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Actually he is. Sorry.

Socially, he is giving the evangelicals what they wanted... courts stacked with anti-abortion justices. Fiscally, he has given tax cuts to the wealthy, and has worked to roll back fiscal and environmental regulations. He also favors higher military spending (even if its at the expense of social programs.)

That is pretty much text-book conservative there.

The only place he might differ from conservatives is in his support for trade wars, but that is easily dwarfed by all other aspects of his policies.

Now, you might complain that "He's just an opportunist", or "he hasn't held conservative beliefs for very long". But there is nothing about being "conservative" that requires any beliefs to be held particularly deeply.

Like it or not Trump is currently the standard-bearer for conservative beliefs.
 
The joke is there never has been an actual conservative POTUS. Youre not a conservative when you run staggering deficits like every Republican President since Hoover. This idea that cutting taxes on the wealthy and budget be damned does not make one a conservative. The only POTUS to balance the budget and in fact run surplus budgets was Bill Cilintin. That so called screaming liberal.
 
Lurch said:
"... the old conservatism planted the roots and watered the ground for Trump."

I'd characterize the old conservatism as spreading the fertilizer, so that Trump could put down a deep tap root.
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Yes, very well stated.

But to give him credit, Trump spews around a lot of fertilizer too.
 
theprestige said:
This comes from your comprehensive survey of all the people who want to be president?
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Yes. I very well have missed some.
If anyone in this thread knows someone who wants to be president who is close to being as venal, corruptible, narrow-minded, self-centered, and Dishonest As President Trump, please let me know.


One of the reasons I made that claim is that many people who have more than 5 sexual assault cases often say to themselves “this will make it extremely difficult to win primaries, therefore I will set aside my desire to be president.” The same applies to people who make money by bilking investors and like to keep their finances secret.

But, I don’t want to derail the thread, so I withdraw my assertion, and I withdraw all my speculation about future presidents.

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the other reason I will abandon the claim is that, as has been pointed out upthread, it is too soon to get an accurate picture of President Trump.
 
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Ladewig said:
Yes. I very well have missed some.
If anyone in this thread knows someone who wants to be president who is close to being as venal, corruptible, narrow-minded, self-centered, and Dishonest As President Trump, please let me know.


One of the reasons I made that claim is that many people who have more than 5 sexual assault cases often say to themselves “this will make it extremely difficult to win primaries, therefore I will set aside my desire to be president.” The same applies to people who make money by bilking investors and like to keep their finances secret.

But, I don’t want to derail the thread, so I withdraw my assertion, and I withdraw all my speculation about future presidents.

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the other reason I will abandon the claim is that, as has been pointed out upthread, it is too soon to get an accurate picture of President Trump.
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I completely disagree with that. He's shown us a very accurate picture of himself.
 
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