Biden for President?

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Bob001 said:
There is no evidence to support any claim that he did anything to her. But if you don't understand the difference between "coming on" and a forcible sexual assault, I hope there are no women in your life.
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It was a different world 30 years ago. Before me too but at Bill Clinton era.

Though Biden is no Trump, I don't exclude him wanting casual sex with a worker. It was, and is, common: sex at work or with coworkers.

I don't appreciate the personal attack. I merely observe other males that I have been around for 50 years. And females. One couple at work produced lots of gossip for a year. Until both were fired. For the workplace affair.
 
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Tero said:
It was a different world 30 years ago. Before me too but at Bill Clinton era.

Though Biden is no Trump, I don't exclude him wanting casual sex with a worker. It was, and is, common: sex at work or with coworkers.

I don't appreciate the personal attack. I merely observe other males that I have been around for 50 years. And females. One couple at work produced lots of gossip for a year. Until both were fired. For the workplace affair.
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You take offense at "the personal attack?" And then you double down. "Casual sex" is not the same as a a forcible sexual assault. They're just not, and you don't seem willing to acknowledge that. And no matter what some people generally did sometime in the past (and Reade's claim is about something she says happened 27 years ago), there is no evidence that Biden behaved that way, and plenty that he didn't. Thirty years ago far more people smoked than today; that doesn't mean that everybody was a smoker 30 years ago, and it doesn't mean that people who carried lighters in their pockets were arsonists.
 
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TellyKNeasuss said:
$108,000 is around the median salary for computer programmers. Are you claiming that half of all computer programmers are wealthy?
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I don't know where you got that median salary but this source gives a much lower range even for programmers with several years of experience:

Apr 26, 2020 · An experienced Computer Programmer with 10-19 years of experience earns an average total compensation of $77,801 based on 419 salaries. In their late career (20 years and higher), employees earn an average total compensation of $85,502.
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Every source I found was much closer to the above. None stated the median salary was even close to $108K.

theprestige said:
It goes pretty far in a lot of other places, though. If you want to spend your ten-percenter wealth trying to live in a one-percenter enclave, that's your business.
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Salary is commensurate with the cost of living in that area. A programmer in MS ($56.4K) is not going to make the same salary as one in NY ($71.4K) or CA ($64K).

No matter how much you double down on this, an income of $108K is not considered 'rich'. It is solidly middle-class.
https://www.thebalance.com/definition-of-middle-class-income-4126870
 
Bob001 said:
You take offense at "the personal attack?" And then you double down. "Casual sex" is not the same as a a forcible sexual assault. They're just not, and you don't seem willing to acknowledge that. And no matter what some people generally did sometime in the past (and Reade's claim is about something she says happened 27 years ago), there is no evidence that Biden behaved that way, and plenty that he didn't. Thirty years ago far more people smoked than today; that doesn't mean that everybody was a smoker 30 years ago, and it doesn't mean that people who carried lighters in their pockets were arsonists.
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Exactly. I find it shocking that anyone would try and compare Reade's allegations to 'casual sex'. Casual sex is consensual, assault is not.
 
Bob001 said:
You take offense at "the personal attack?" And then you double down. "Casual sex" is not the same as a a forcible sexual assault. They're just not, and you don't seem willing to acknowledge that. And no matter what some people generally did sometime in the past (and Reade's claim is about something she says happened 27 years ago), there is no evidence that Biden behaved that way, and plenty that he didn't. Thirty years ago far more people smoked than today; that doesn't mean that everybody was a smoker 30 years ago, and it doesn't mean that people who carried lighters in their pockets were arsonists.
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There is no proof of the assault. It's quite believable that Biden made some advances with the object being casual sex. Males back 30 years ago made these moves routinely, I saw them often. You would have got in trouble for touching genitalia even then, but men would grab women in two places quite often.

I have no idea how old you are, I'm just reporting observations 30-50 years back. I never said I approved it or practiced it.

Biden touched Reed, that's for sure. Where did he touch her?

Wiki: In April 2019, Reade came forward with an allegation that in 1993 Joe Biden touched her in a way that made her “feel uncomfortable” during his time as a Senator for Delaware.[3] In March of 2020, she revealed that the allegation was instead a case of sexual assault.[4]
 
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Tero said:
There is no proof of the assault. It's quite believable that Biden made some advances with the object being casual sex. Males back 30 years ago made these moves routinely, I saw them often. You would have got in trouble for touching genitalia even then, but men would grab women in two places quite often.

I have no idea how old you are, I'm just reporting observations 30-50 years back. I never said I approved it or practiced it.

Biden touched Reed, that's for sure. Where did he touch her?

Wiki: In April 2019, Reade came forward with an allegation that in 1993 Joe Biden touched her in a way that made her “feel uncomfortable” during his time as a Senator for Delaware.[3] In March of 2020, she revealed that the allegation was instead a case of sexual assault.[4]
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So how many women did you molest? I mean it was so common back then you must have done some, that's for sure. Where did you touch them?
 
Tero said:
There is no proof of the assault. It's quite believable that Biden made some advances with the object being casual sex. Males back 30 years ago made these moves routinely, I saw them often. You would have got in trouble for touching genitalia even then, but men would grab women in two places quite often.

I have no idea how old you are, I'm just reporting observations 30-50 years back. I never said I approved it or practiced it.
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And in your vast experience, did every man assault every woman everywhere? We know that Biden was sometimes overly familiar with some women, usually in front of other people including his own wife, in ways that made them uncomfortable. No one but Reade has accused him of violent sexual assault. And you obtusely refuse to grasp the distinction.
 
Tero said:
There is no proof of the assault. It's quite believable that Biden made some advances with the object being casual sex. Males back 30 years ago made these moves routinely, I saw them often. You would have got in trouble for touching genitalia even then, but men would grab women in two places quite often.
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Wanting to believe something and that something being believable are two different things. Was Biden known at the time for making advances, or was he known for not only not making advances but discouraging such from happening around him? Spoiler alert, it was the second.

Tero said:
I have no idea how old you are, I'm just reporting observations 30-50 years back. I never said I approved it or practiced it.
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What does you witnessing someone making approaches in completely different circumstances have to do with Biden?

Hell, by that stupid metric males still routinely make advances with the object of casual sex. There are phone apps for that express purpose. It has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not Biden sexually assaulted Reade.

Tero said:
Biden touched Reed, that's for sure. Where did he touch her?

Wiki: In April 2019, Reade came forward with an allegation that in 1993 Joe Biden touched her in a way that made her “feel uncomfortable” during his time as a Senator for Delaware.[3] In March of 2020, she revealed that the allegation was instead a case of sexual assault.[4]
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False. In April 2019 Reade came forward with an allegation that she expressly stated was not sexual. In March 2020 Reade made a different allegation of sexual assault.

In the early stages of a Wikipedia entry there are often changes, but I find it quite interesting that not only did you not provide a link but I can't find that wording in either the page about Biden or the page about Reade's allegations.

eta: I found your page, which is being deleted.
 
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TellyKNeasuss said:
But it isn't completely separate from whether we should believe her allegation that Biden assaulted her.
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How far do we take this idea?

Is a reputation for sleeping around ok to bring up? Is it ok to insinuate that an accuser’s mode of dress looks like an invitation? Is it ok to bring up that she’s a “party girl?”

To be clear, I don’t think any of that is ok to bring up when assessing a sexual assault claim. I’m trying to differentiate between stuff like that and other facets of an accuser’s life and personality such has been brought up with Reade.
 
xjx388 said:
How far do we take this idea?

Is a reputation for sleeping around ok to bring up? Is it ok to insinuate that an accuser’s mode of dress looks like an invitation? Is it ok to bring up that she’s a “party girl?”

To be clear, I don’t think any of that is ok to bring up when assessing a sexual assault claim. I’m trying to differentiate between stuff like that and other facets of an accuser’s life and personality such has been brought up with Reade.
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With the Jacob Wohl stuff popping up again, I'm curious how far your refusal to consider a history of making false claims goes. Assuming you're aware of them (if not we have a thread on them here), do you still automatically assume that each new false sexual assault allegation Wohl and Burkman fabricate is true? Do you get upset if other people take into account their past antics?
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
$108,000 is around the median salary for computer programmers. Are you claiming that half of all computer programmers are wealthy?
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TellyKNeasuss said:
My information was from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The salary in your source is a joke (unless it is the average for 1st year programmers).

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/[HILITE]software-developers[/HILITE].htm
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Please note the highlighted. Your source gives the median salary for computer developers. A computer programmer is not a software developer . My median income was for programmers which is the job you specified.

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Occupational Employment Statistics The median annual wage for computer programmers was $86,550 in May 2019.
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No, it's not for 1st year programmers. If you'd bothered to read more carefully, you'd have noticed that my post clearly stated:

An experienced Computer Programmer with 10-19 years of experience earns an average total compensation of $77,801 based on 419 salaries. In their late career (20 years and higher), employees earn an average total compensation of $85,502.
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Back when the media was far less corrupt than today....Biden was exposed for lying and plagerizing by ABC, PBS, CBS, NBC, (.Sam Donaldson, Connie Chung, David Gergen etc.) and others.


Why support a known plagerizering liar?


Who remembers this footage?
 
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