Biden for President?

[TurkeysGhost]

What positions at a major defense contractor must one hold to allow ones kids to refer to one as having been a defense contractor? Is it solely the CEO, or is it anyone in the C-suite, maybe EVP and above, or would VP be high enough, possibly even manager?

I mean, you do realize that most "defense contractors" are actually multi-million dollar corporations, not individuals, right?

Craftsmen working in their backyard shed making hellfire missiles for the DoD. Two guys and a truck delivering hand-fitted M-16's to an Army base.

It's a bespoke, cottage-industry, defense contracting.

According to Wareyin, a guy working at Raytheon making missile guidance chips isn't a defense contractor and saying so is a lie. He's an employee of a defense contractor, a distinction important enough to call someone a intentional liar.

 

[theprestige]

"Sexual Assault Claim Against Biden Lands Collins Challenger Gideon in the Hot Seat"
https://mainernews.com/sexual-assault-claim-against-biden-lands-collins-challenger-gideon-in-the-hot-seat/

Susan Collins, the Republican Senator from Maine, has been seen as a hopeful target for Democrats in the 2020 election. Collins' support for Kavanaugh was seen as one the sharpest attacks against her, both for his anti-abortion stance and the sexual assault allegations.

Republicans are now leveling criticisms at the front-running Democratic challenger for support of Biden concerning the Reade allegation. The two progressives Democrats in the race warn that hypocrisy on the issue will damage the party and cost votes.

It'll be interesting to see if hypocrisy actually matters more than I think it does.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I just said it was similar, I didn't say it was the same? Really? That's your defense?

Yes, words having meaning. If you have to change my words to make your point you likely are changing the meaning of what I said. Please don't do that again.

As have quite a lot of people. That's why it's hard to believe that Reade simply bouncing one check resulted in a court case with mandatory "class or classes" that she had to attend (as the diversion program posted requires).

That most people don't get ticketed for jaywalking does not mean it is impossible to get ticketed for jaywalking. You have lost all grasp.

The evidence of a program that certainly doesn't appear to kick in when one simply bounces a single check has certainly been provided. Good that part of your defense has been sort of shown.

It is not my defense. It is simply evidence that the file you are trying to build into some sort of evidence is evidence of nothing. Focusing on it makes your arguments look silly and makes your other claims about her weaker.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Well, sometimes it is difficult to get people invested in self-harm to stop. Sometimes they even lash out at those trying to stop them. That doesn't mean it's not a worthy goal to stop them anyway.

Your posts have convinced me not to look into the Biden campaign locally for fear fo finding more people making similar arguments. Good job!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

And don't need to. Just getting the suggestion out there is enough.

And don't want to. Look too closely and it might turn out to be a lie. We don't want that.

First Hillary was running a child sex ring from the basement of a Pizza place, now Biden is a rapist. Where will it end? Well all Democrats are evil, so...

We'll never know one way or the other, will we.

Because if someone makes an accusation that means unless we were there, we will never know.

 

[wareyin]

What positions at a major defense contractor must one hold to allow ones kids to refer to one as having been a defense contractor? Is it solely the CEO, or is it anyone in the C-suite, maybe EVP and above, or would VP be high enough, possibly even manager?

Probably the CEO. Definitely not the PR team. Would you refer to the PR manager of the Atlanta Falcons as a team owner? Are you under the impression that when she made that claim Reade was a small child, unaware of what her father actually did?

I mean, you do realize that most "defense contractors" are actually multi-million dollar corporations, not individuals, right?

Yes, most are. Thank you for acknowledging that some are actually individuals.

 

[wareyin]

Your posts have convinced me not to look into the Biden campaign locally for fear fo finding more people making similar arguments. Good job!

Well, like I said you can't always convince those invested in hurting themselves to stop. Hopefully someone else can help out.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

It'll be interesting to see if hypocrisy actually matters more than I think it does.

I also get skeptical about outrage against Republicans in rural states. Often the outrage is reflective of a national mood and not reflective of the actual voters in the state.

It's like these gullible Hollywood libs sending money to McGrath thinking she has a chance to beat McConnell in Kentucky.

I try to rely on local papers, but even then it's hard to tell. My impression is that Collins is in a for a bit of a tough race, but it's by no means a easy win for the D's.

 

[wareyin]

According to Wareyin, a guy working at Raytheon making missile guidance chips isn't a defense contractor and saying so is a lie. He's an employee of a defense contractor

That's actually true! Good job! He could also be said to be a guidance chip maker, or a guy who made missile parts if one wasn't trying to tell a big whopper about how rich, powerful, and important he was.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Craftsmen working in their backyard shed making hellfire missiles for the DoD. Two guys and a truck delivering hand-fitted M-16's to an Army base.

It's a bespoke, cottage-industry, defense contracting.

According to Wareyin, a guy working at Raytheon making missile guidance chips isn't a defense contractor and saying so is a lie. He's an employee of a defense contractor, a distinction important enough to call someone a intentional liar.

What bothers me most is that there are legitimate reasons not to believe Reade's story, but by piling up so much ********, their arguments turn to just piles of ********, you can't find the legitimate issues anymore. It is poor argument.

To be clear, I don't think there is sufficient evidence to conclude that Biden likely sexually assaulted Reade, but I also don't think that justifies attacks that lack factual merit or relevance.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Probably the CEO. Definitely not the PR team. Would you refer to the PR manager of the Atlanta Falcons as a team owner? Are you under the impression that when she made that claim Reade was a small child, unaware of what her father actually did?

She did't claim he owned Honeywell, did she?

Is that your problem, you can't distinguish between working for a bank or owning the bank both being referred to as being a banker?

Bless your heart.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

.... this thread isn't even about Biden anymore. It's become a "Tara Reade is a liar, ...

Maybe she is. It sure looks like it.

Maybe she has attacked an innocent man with a false allegation.

You assert we aren't allowed to draw that conclusion and you dismiss any evidence supporting it.


Back to the Politico article: All the Democratic challenger to Collins has to do is use her own words defending Kavenaugh against her.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

In non Tara Reade news, Biden and Sanders have announced 6 unity platform committees.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/13/8552...-2dfjhJ2UKUSz-J6JsATkXmMX4-hZ1fwJPKCKyTu1CwFE

 

[wareyin]

Yes, words having meaning. If you have to change my words to make your point you likely are changing the meaning of what I said. Please don't do that again.

Words do have meanings. Similar is a synonym of the same. Also interchangeable, indistinguishable, alike, and homogeneous. It doesn't change the meaning of what you said. It's semantic nitpicking to attempt to score an internet point.

That most people don't get ticketed for jaywalking does not mean it is impossible to get ticketed for jaywalking. You have lost all grasp.

Nonsense. If most people don't get a ticket for jaywalking it's rational to conclude that a ticket for jaywalking was an over-reaction by the cop or was exacerbated by other circumstances. But you guys don't want to claim that it was an over-reaction and don't want anyone to consider any other circumstances. Sorry it's not working out for you.

It is not my defense. It is simply evidence that the file you are trying to build into some sort of evidence is evidence of nothing. Focusing on it makes your arguments look silly and makes your other claims about her weaker.

Meh, I'm not making any claims about her. I'm discussing and analyzing previously stated claims about her. Well, I guess I'm making the claim that all these instances of fraud, theft, changing stories, and embellishment in her other accusations make this accusation not credible, but if you want to ignore that sort of thing when assessing her credibility you can certainly do so.

 

[theprestige]

We'll never know one way or the other, will we.

Because if someone makes an accusation that means unless we were there, we will never know.

To be fair, Hillary Clinton couldn't run a State Department email inbox on a State Department mail server, as Secretary of State. I think it's safe to say that anything as complex and confidential as a child sex ring in a pizza parlor basement would be well beyond her capabilities.

 

[wareyin]

She did't claim he owned Honeywell, did she?

Is that your problem, you can't distinguish between working for a bank or owning the bank both being referred to as being a banker?

Bless your heart.

She claimed he was a rich and powerful defense contractor when she was accusing him of sexual assault. He wasn't rich, he wasn't powerful, and he wasn't a defense contractor. It's evidence that she at the very least embellishes her claims.

And yes, there is certainly a difference between someone who works for a bank and a banker. I was recently told that words have meanings, but apparently that's a concept you can throw out the window when it's convenient.

 

[shuttlt]

To be fair, Hillary Clinton couldn't run a State Department email inbox on a State Department mail server, as Secretary of State. I think it's safe to say that anything as complex and confidential as a child sex ring in a pizza parlor basement would be well beyond her capabilities.

I'm having flashbacks to this:

 

[wareyin]

What bothers me most is that there are legitimate reasons not to believe Reade's story,

On this we agree. Quite a few legitimate reasons, actually.

but by piling up so much ********, their arguments turn to just piles of ********, you can't find the legitimate issues anymore. It is poor argument.

Every single legitimate reason has either been ignored by you guys, or argued against. Even the existence of many legitimate reasons is being waved away as a gish gallop when more than one at a time is brought up. Yes, complaining that there are too many reasons to not believe Reade is most definitely a poor argument.

 

[theprestige]

She claimed he was a rich and powerful defense contractor when she was accusing him of sexual assault. He wasn't rich, he wasn't powerful, and he wasn't a defense contractor. It's evidence that she at the very least embellishes her claims.

From this we can reasonably infer that something happened. Groping, probably, which she embellished as penetration.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Words do have meanings. Similar is a synonym of the same. Also interchangeable, indistinguishable, alike, and homogeneous. It doesn't change the meaning of what you said. It's semantic nitpicking to attempt to score an internet point.

What internet point did I score beyond pointing out that the program in her state was not an anomaly? Hell, even if it was an anomaly, it existed, so who cares that it exists elsewhere.

Your effort to turn this nothing into something is twisting your logic.

Nonsense. If most people don't get a ticket for jaywalking it's rational to conclude that a ticket for jaywalking was an over-reaction by the cop or was exacerbated by other circumstances. But you guys don't want to claim that it was an over-reaction and don't want anyone to consider any other circumstances. Sorry it's not working out for you.

Is it is thousands of people get tickets for jaywalking despite there being millions of jaywalkers? Please tell me these posts are not a good reflection of your normal reasoning skills.

Meh, I'm not making any claims about her. I'm discussing and analyzing previously stated claims about her. Well, I guess I'm making the claim that all these instances of fraud, theft, changing stories, and embellishment in her other accusations make this accusation not credible, but if you want to ignore that sort of thing when assessing her credibility you can certainly do so.

If her story has legs, this **** doesn't matter. If her story does not have legs, this **** doesn't matter. I don't see any advantage in muddying the water unless you just like playing in the mud. Which says more of you than her.