Biden for President?

[acbytesla]

I haven't seen anything definitively stating that they were dropped. All we have is the filing, and Reade not remembering anything about that through her lawyer.

That's more than we can confirm about her allegations against Biden.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Then perhaps you should talk to lawyers who say, barring any witnesses or forensic/physical evidence, an accuser's credibility is the most important thing. I've provided citations for this before....which you seem to have just ignored. Along with questions you've been asked to address repeatedly.

To my mind, that is an artifact of trial by jury. People are swayed by irrelevant issues and form prejudices. This is the bread-and-butter of sleazy defense lawyers.

Jury selection procedure seems to take this into consideration, as do pre-trial hearings where the judge may declare some facts immaterial. Objections during trial may also invoke such rulings with orders to the jury to disregard (but that's closing the barn door after the horse got out).

 

[Stacyhs]

Easy enough:

Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.


Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.


Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.


Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.


Not relevant when assessing a rape accusation.



Stop avoiding the rape accusation.

Not relevant when assessing a rape allegation = No, I can't explain it without damaging Reade's credibility.

On the other hand:

Credibility: The Most Important Factor in Sex Crimes Cases

There is rarely a criminal case where the truth is absolutely certain. This is especially true in sex crime cases, where witnesses and physical evidence are often nonexistent, and the word of the victim goes against the word of the accused.

In these cases, the deciding factor is whose version of the events is more believable.

8 Elements of Credibility Assessment in an Investigation of Sexual Harassment Claims

..the importance of determining credibility when someone is being accused of sexual harassment cannot be overstated.

5.Is the person being consistent when telling his or her story? Has the story changed prior to or during the investigation? Is the person evasive or vague in his or her claims?

6.Has the accuser ever been involved in questionable behavior in the past? Has he or she ever lied or fabricated stories for personal gain?

7.Is there an economic gain to making up these sexual harassment allegations? Does the accuser have any motivation to fabricate or falsify this story? Does the accuser have an axe to grind with the alleged harasser?

 

[Stacyhs]

Yes, entirely unnecessary.

My comments should be understood in their original context of demands that I run around a course of silly questions about speculative muck raking on Tara Reade. I am not about to dive down such an endless rabbit hole.

That's as good an excuse as any i suppose to avoid actually addressing questions.

Odd that you think this is speculative muck raking but pushing the dementia nonsense isn't.

 

[Stacyhs]

That would be an interesting attempt at rhetoric.

Ah. Another non-answer. You can't even defend your own claims. Priceless.

 

[Stacyhs]

There is a weird correlation with my lack of emotional investment in your pointless sleuthing.

For someone who professes to have a lack of emotional investment in the topic, you sure do spend a lot of time and effort engaging in it. Admittedly, most of your input is lacking in any relevancy and seems to center on triggering others.

 

[Stacyhs]

To my mind, that is an artifact of trial by jury. People are swayed by irrelevant issues and form prejudices. This is the bread-and-butter of sleazy defense lawyers.

Jury selection procedure seems to take this into consideration, as do pre-trial hearings where the judge may declare some facts immaterial. Objections during trial may also invoke such rulings with orders to the jury to disregard (but that's closing the barn door after the horse got out).

The claim was that an accuser's credibility was unimportant. Whether one agrees with it or not, the fact is that credibility is extremely important and especially so in cases like this one. No witnesses, no forensic/physical evidence exist so what other factors could possibly exist to influence a jury other than the credibility of both the accuser and the accused? Despite your claim that this is the "bread-and-butter of sleazy defense lawyers," it is also employed by prosecutors and well-respected defense lawyers.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Probably never going to be able to know if Biden sexually assaulted Reade or not.

And don't need to. Just getting the suggestion out there is enough.

And don't want to. Look too closely and it might turn out to be a lie. We don't want that.

First Hillary was running a child sex ring from the basement of a Pizza place, now Biden is a rapist. Where will it end? Well all Democrats are evil, so...

 

[Sideroxylon]

Ah. Another non-answer. You can't even defend your own claims. Priceless.

And here you are quoting me telling you that was not my position. Very cheap giggles.

 

[Sideroxylon]

For someone who professes to have a lack of emotional investment in the topic, you sure do spend a lot of time and effort engaging in it. Admittedly, most of your input is lacking in any relevancy and seems to center on triggering others.

I am flattered that you think there is effort involved.

 

[Stacyhs]

4. How do you explain choosing to get a horse instead of paying her car loan?

Four is the most hilariously irrelevant. But also the most classist.

I'd really love to hear your logic how choosing to get a horse instead of making your car payments is "classist".

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That would be an interesting attempt at rhetoric.

And here you are quoting me telling you that was not my position. Very cheap giggles.

Seems to me it was very much your position. But evade away...yet again.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Seems to me it was very much your position. But evade away...yet again.

Its all there. Maybe if you stare at it for a bit.

 

[Stacyhs]

I am flattered that you think there is effort involved.

As I said, you spend very little time saying anything relevant and a great deal of time saying nothing relevant.

Maybe you should spend more time working on bringing about La Revolucion. At least it might be productive.

 

[Stacyhs]

Its all there. Maybe if you stare at it for a bit.

Nah, no matter how long you stare at it, it's still evasion.

Anyway, I'll let you have the last word as I'm bored. Toodles.

 

[Sideroxylon]

As I said, you spend very little time saying anything relevant and a great deal of time saying nothing relevant.

Maybe you should spend more time working on bringing about La Revolucion. At least it might be productive.

Funny you say that. I am posting in between building a guillotine in the garage.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Nah, no matter how long you stare at it, it's still evasion.

Anyway, I'll let you have the last word as I'm bored. Toodles.

Last word for today. You said that last time.

 

[wareyin]

A well paid mid-level executive sounds rich to me. Not independently wealthy and living a life of leisure, but still rich.

No evidence that he was well paid, but Mrs. law degree, rubbing elbows with the DC elite has absolutely no reason to claim that a PR manager is a rich and powerful defense contractor. Unless she was embellishing her story. Again.

All the mid-level executives I've ever encountered in my working career have struck me as pretty rich.

Here's the question. Would you characterize Tara Reade's statement that her father was a powerful, wealthy defense contractor as a lie? At best, it's a bit of hyperbole. He's management at an huge corporation with significant defense contracts. Fits the bill to me.

Nonsense. Her statement was wrong in many ways. We don't describe the PR manager of the Atlanta Falcons as a rich and powerful Football Team Owner, do we?

gish gallop against Reade continues. Now there's this barb about Reade lying about her father. Easy to dump in this thread, longer and much more tedious to parse through. The damage is already done, even as it becomes clear that claim is almost certainly meritless. Off to the next gallop!

This is where your fringe reset keeps tripping you up. I'm just bringing up stuff that has already been posted and discussed in this thread, not new information. In your zeal to ignore and minimize, you keep forgetting all the other damaging information as you try to minimize whatever is in front of you at that moment. Then you're basically blindsided when someone just brings up a previously discussed bit of information.

Try stepping back and honestly looking at the large group, rather than thinking you can say there's no forest because you brushed one twig aside.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

No evidence that he was well paid, but Mrs. law degree, rubbing elbows with the DC elite has absolutely no reason to claim that a PR manager is a rich and powerful defense contractor. Unless she was embellishing her story. Again.



Nonsense. Her statement was wrong in many ways. We don't describe the PR manager of the Atlanta Falcons as a rich and powerful Football Team Owner, do we?



This is where your fringe reset keeps tripping you up. I'm just bringing up stuff that has already been posted and discussed in this thread, not new information. In your zeal to ignore and minimize, you keep forgetting all the other damaging information as you try to minimize whatever is in front of you at that moment. Then you're basically blindsided when someone just brings up a previously discussed bit of information.

Try stepping back and honestly looking at the large group, rather than thinking you can say there's no forest because you brushed one twig aside.

The median salary for a PR manager in Atlanta, GA is 108,000 a year. That's a wealthy person's salary.

https://www.salary.com/research/salary/benchmark/public-relations-manager-salary/atlanta-ga

Reade never said her father owned a defense contract company.

Oh no, Reade lied. her father wasn't directly contracted with the DoD. He only worked as an employee for a company that directly contracted for the DoD. This is a huge and significant divergence from the truth that clearly shows she was intending to deceive! /s


Doesn't matter though. Your smear gallop continues.

 

[wareyin]

I was describing how diversion works based on my own experience with it. I described similarities in the urgency (or lack thereof) of bringing such a matter before the court in a full criminal trial and so pre-trial alternatives can lead to positive outcomes for all parties.

Your experiences with diversion for a much more serious (at the time) crime were being used to claim that they are commonplace for things far less serious. If we agree that the crimes are not the same, then we can agree that your experiences with diversion have no bearing on whether or not they happen for a simple checking mistake.

Your willingness to twist my experience into fodder for your own purposes shatters your credibility in terms of engaging in good faith.

This just goes on the pile of how the DP and its cult-minded followers are happy to drag me through the mud for their own gain.

I'm voting for Biden in an R+10 state, though. So there's that...

Good for you. Might I suggest that if you aren't happy with the Democratic Party as structured (assuming that was what you meant by DP) you should work to change it? Not just work to try to bring it down and get Trump in, but actively get involved in your local party, get your voice heard, work to elect the type of candidate you like in your local and state as well as Congressional representatives? That's how you get the big change, not by electing one guy in as Pres who then has to fight his own party as well as the opposition. Obama had to fight more right leaning Democrats and so got us a far worse ACA than he otherwise could have. Trump has every GOP Congress critter, GOP Governor, and the GOP propaganda outlets in FOX, Limbaugh, Breitbart, etc all behind him lockstep.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Your experiences with diversion for a much more serious (at the time) crime were being used to claim that they are commonplace for things far less serious. If we agree that the crimes are not the same, then we can agree that your experiences with diversion have no bearing on whether or not they happen for a simple checking mistake.

It is apparent to me you refuse to hear the context or framing of my insight.

I will no longer engage with you on that matter.

Good for you. Might I suggest that if you aren't happy with the Democratic Party as structured (assuming that was what you meant by DP) you should work to change it? Not just work to try to bring it down and get Trump in, but actively get involved in your local party, get your voice heard, work to elect the type of candidate you like in your local and state as well as Congressional representatives? That's how you get the big change, not by electing one guy in as Pres who then has to fight his own party as well as the opposition. Obama had to fight more right leaning Democrats and so got us a far worse ACA than he otherwise could have. Trump has every GOP Congress critter, GOP Governor, and the GOP propaganda outlets in FOX, Limbaugh, Breitbart, etc all behind him lockstep.

I am working as you describe. I helped file the paperwork and launch the campaign of a primary challenger in my area. I paper cars on the nights I don't work. I attend meetings and support the causes of several progressive groups in my area.

Lecture someone else.