Biden for President?

[Stacyhs]

Biden's weird handsiness has been widely mocked for years now, well before our current political moment. I think it's pretty safe to say everyone that isn't a Biden partisan finds these incidents cringe-inducing.

Here's the daily show dunking on him in 2015.

"THE AUDACITY OF GROPE"
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/yfmksi/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-the-audacity-of-grope

Once again, you fail to address other points in my post that you don't want to face. Who cares if comedians make fun of it? Does that have any bearing on what I actually said?

Your ability to avoid actually addressing the points is becoming classic. Why do you not want to respond to this:

They're more than unverifiable; they've been shown to be inconsistent in several ways and definitively denied by people she says she reported her claims of harassment to at the time. Her accusations have been out for quite some time now and no other woman has come forward. Not a single one. In Trump's, Weinstein's and Cosby's cases, many women came forward quickly. In all three cases, the allegations of sexual assault went back decades. This is the sole accusation of sexual assault or harassment against Biden.

In Biden's favor is the fact that he called for any allegation (allegedly) filed by Reade to be searched for in the records.

Adult men in power who sexually harass/assault women don't tend to commit an offense once. It is a pattern of behavior. We saw it with Cosby, Weinstein, and Trump. We do not see it with Biden.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Once again, you fail to address other points in my post that you don't want to face. Who cares if comedians make fun of it? Does that have any bearing on what I actually said?

Your ability to avoid actually addressing the points is becoming classic. Why do you not want to respond to this:

Adult men in power who sexually harass/assault women don't tend to commit an offense once. It is a pattern of behavior. We saw it with Cosby, Weinstein, and Trump. We do not see it with Biden.

Gonna need some evidence for that whopper.

Weinstein and Cosby got caught because they were prolific and notorious repeat offenders. They are on the extreme end. There's no reason why less wanton creeps couldn't escape a similar fate.

Because Biden hasn't been buried under double digit accusers, he must be innocent? That's insane.

 

[Stacyhs]

Read as: I have ignored all the documented fraud, scams and lies so far, and I will continue to minimize further evidence as it comes out!

That's about it.

 

[wareyin]

Care to explain this?

Oh crap. It's been posted and discussed in this freaking thread! You were involved in the discussion at the time! Damn these fringe resets!

Her father's obit lists his career as a writer... and as a public relations manager for Honeywell, a large corporation with a significant amount of defense contracting work. Honeywell supplies avionics and missile technology. I imagine managing public relations for such a large corporation is a lucrative gig. Rich and powerful defense contractor sounds like a fair descriptor to me.

PR managers aren't defense contractors. Her father certainly wasn't rich and powerful. What's confusing about this? Oh, wait, you're imagining stuff? Well that's a powerful refutation!

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/wausaudailyherald/obituary.aspx?n=robert-moulton&pid=177929024

How is her characterization inaccurate?

I have the feeling I read the same article as you that proposed this line of attack, which means you were really combing the web to find some other smear against Reade. Congrats.

I read the article posted in this thread and the discussion we had about it. But then again I'm not actively trying to ignore and minimize stuff I don't want to hear.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Oh crap. It's been posted and discussed in this freaking thread! You were involved in the discussion at the time! Damn these fringe resets!



PR managers aren't defense contractors. Her father certainly wasn't rich and powerful. What's confusing about this? Oh, wait, you're imagining stuff? Well that's a powerful refutation!

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/wausaudailyherald/obituary.aspx?n=robert-moulton&pid=177929024

How is her characterization inaccurate?

I have the feeling I read the same article as you that proposed this line of attack, which means you were really combing the web to find some other smear against Reade. Congrats.

I read the article posted in this thread and the discussion we had about it. But then again I'm not actively trying to ignore and minimize stuff I don't want to hear.

You think working for a defense contract company isn't fairly described as being a defense contractor? You think a PR manager for Honeywell isn't rich?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's leverage.

"Pay up, meet these goals.

No? You're gonna need a lawyer and their initial retainer is more than you make in 3 months.

Thaaat's more like it."

People get "charged" with things they didn't do all the time. Or for mistakes they made and will make good-faith efforts to resolve.

Why is this a mystery to so many people?

Leverage? To pay a debt? That was just a mistake in the first place?

What about all the people who knew they were writing a bad check? Do they all get convicted? Or do they have the option of a plea deal?

Got any estimates of the proportions of each?

I'm not going any further with this 'zebra' hypothesis.

 

[Stacyhs]

It proves there was a check fraud case, which you questioned the existence of.


Sure, let's assume something that was documented to have happened and had multiple witnesses claiming happened did happen. How generous we're being!

The ability to hand wave this away is classic. We've seen the vet bills. We've seen them sent to the horse rescue. TWICE. We've seen the tweet from Reade acknowledging she owed the vet money to Hummer. We've seen the statement from the named witness saying he saw Reade stealing from the charity auction table and rigging the ticket jar. Generous, indeed.

It's more a question of what it tells us about Reade in 2020. And it, combined with all the other stuff going back to 1993, tells us that Reade has a loose relationship with honesty, integrity, and the truth. We aren't dealing with a story Reade told in 1993. We're dealing with the story she told in 2020, which is different from the one she told in 1993, which is different from the one she told in 2009, which is different from the one she told in 2017, which is different from the one she told in 2019.


There is no evidence. Reade can't remember when, or where, or who she told. There is only judging character at this point to see who is more credible. A decades long history of fraud, theft, changing stories, and multiple other accusations of sexual assault by Reade that have contradictory info* as well paint a picture of whether or not we should believe her.


*She accused her father, while claiming that the small town sports writer was actually a rich and powerful defense contractor. I believe she also accused her ex-husband after he filed divorce charges against her, but the first couple of pages on a google search are full of the newer claims.

Exactly. But for some reason, all this somehow does not add up to enough for us to question Reade's credibility. How dare we smear Reade's good character?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

There are plenty of good reasons to not pillory Joe Biden over Reade's allegations. None of them require doxxing Reade or doing half-assed kremlinology on her bounced checks.

....

Does that make investigating Reade's allegations (encouraged by many in this thread) sound more evil or something?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=doxxing

publicly exposing someone's real name or address on the Internet who has taken pains to keep them secret

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

True, it's why so many men accused of rape are found not guilty or never prosecuted in the first place. ....

No, no no.

This isn't about a known abuser getting away with sexual assault over and over. Why don't we debate rape in prison while we're at it?


You cannot legitimately turn this debate into something else.

 

[Sideroxylon]

Does that make investigating Reade's allegations (encouraged by many in this thread) sound more evil or something?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=doxxing

That they were stupid and redundant seems to have been the point.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Which is why gaffes and creepiness are such killers for his candidacy. We've got a whole group of Yale psychiatrists telling us that when a person acts crazy or demented on social media and in TV appearances, that's a good indicator that they're crazy and demented....

Pure straw. No one is doing that.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Gonna need some evidence for that whopper.

Weinstein and Cosby got caught because they were prolific and notorious repeat offenders. They are on the extreme end. There's no reason why less wanton creeps couldn't escape a similar fate.

Because Biden hasn't been buried under double digit accusers, he must be innocent? That's insane.

You got any evidence men who sexually abuse women often only do it once? You must be kidding.

I highlighted your straw man argument. Seems to be a lot of that in this thread.

The fact no one else has accused Biden of anything beyond shoulder rubbing and hair kissing is one piece of evidence that supports his denial and does not support Reade's changing stories.

It's so easy to cherry pick, makes for a great pile of straw man arguments to win with.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That they were stupid and redundant seems to have been the point.

You lost me. TP is trying to call investigating Reade, doxxing. It is not.

 

[wareyin]

You think working for a defense contract company isn't fairly described as being a defense contractor? You think a PR manager for Honeywell isn't rich?

I think the lunch-lady at a high school can't be fairly described as the principal. I think the 911 operator can't be fairly described as the Sheriff. I think the PR manager of the Atlanta Falcons can't be described as a rich and powerful Football player. Why would you think a PR manager is actually a defense contractor?

 

[Sideroxylon]

You lost me. TP is trying to call investigating Reade, doxxing. It is not.

Yeah, he over extended that term and you swooped in to score the point while ignoring the message.

 

[Stacyhs]

Adult men in power who sexually harass/assault women don't tend to commit an offense once. It is a pattern of behavior. We saw it with Cosby, Weinstein, and Trump. We do not see it with Biden.

Gonna need some evidence for that whopper.

Really? You think that men in power who have sexually harassed/assaulted at least one woman don't tend to do it again? You have to be extremely naive (or worse) and ill-informed to think this is not a pattern of behavior. This behavior is about exerting power over those weaker/less powerful than themselves. That mindset doesn't stop with one incident. And as the vast majority of women do not report that behavior, they continue to get away with it.

Why sexual harassers keep offending

One of the many major problems with sexual harassment in the workplace: It happens more than once.

Harvey Weinstein isn’t the only alleged sexual harasser who has been accused of multiple offenses, over the course of several years. It’s a pattern pervasive among many professions and vocations, including college professors, coaches and priests in the Catholic Church. Actual data on the number of harassers is thin at best, but the social media campaign #metoo suggests hundreds of thousands, or even millions of women have experienced harassment in the workplace.

and Cosby got caught because they were prolific and notorious repeat offenders. They are on the extreme end. There's no reason why less wanton creeps couldn't escape a similar fate.

Spoken like a man. How often have you been sexually harassed or assaulted? You are speaking out of ignorance.

No, they got caught after decades of repeated offenses because a single woman finally had the courage to speak up which then encouraged others to follow suit. The same thing happened when Meghan Kelly stood up to Roger Ailes and went public. But this pattern has been around since the beginning of time: men have harassed and sexually abused women and, if they get away with it as they usually did/do, they will do it again. It is a mindset.

Construction workers cat calling a passerby only do that once? Or the McDonald's manager who gets away with it only harasses an employee once? Get real.

Because Biden hasn't been buried under double digit accusers, he must be innocent? That's insane.

Resorting to extremism is not your friend. Do try and rein in the hyperbole.

The fact that sexual harassment/assault is a pattern of behavior and rarely a one time thing (unless stopped by outside means) is absolutely a mark in Biden's favor. Just as more than one accusation, especially multiple accusations for different women, would be a mark against him. I never said it was proof.

 

[Bob001]

You think working for a defense contract company isn't fairly described as being a defense contractor? You think a PR manager for Honeywell isn't rich?

No, actually. A corporate PR manager would be a well-paid mid-level executive, but not somebody with decision-making authority or an ownership stake. PR generally pays better than small-town newspaper work, but it's not the road to riches. And 40 years ago PR was less of a profession than it is now (if it even is now), which would have helped a small-town sportswriter get the job. He worked for a defense contractor; he himself was not a defense contractor.

But that's a distraction. It doesn't have much to do with the current issue, except to indicate a propensity for exaggeration.

 

[theprestige]

Q. How do you know a rape victim is lying?

A. She once embellished her father's career highlights.

 

[Stacyhs]

Does that make investigating Reade's allegations (encouraged by many in this thread) sound more evil or something?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=doxxing

Using "doxxing" was good...except for not using it correctly. But I really liked " half-assed kremlinology". Made it so much more effective.

 

[Stacyhs]

You got any evidence men who sexually abuse women often only do it once? You must be kidding.

I highlighted your straw man argument. Seems to be a lot of that in this thread.

The fact no one else has accused Biden of anything beyond shoulder rubbing and hair kissing is one piece of evidence that supports his denial and does not support Reade's changing stories.

It's so easy to cherry pick, makes for a great pile of straw man arguments to win with.

Not only men who abuse women but those who abuse children or other men. It's not sex: it's about power and it isn't a one time thing. That mindset doesn't disappear after one incident.