Biden for President?

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Segnosaur said:
- Sanders' "medicare for all" (i.e. no private insurance) is possibly the least popular alternative. (More Americans support universal coverage with private options, or even the status-quo, than 'BernieCare')

- While some polls show a majority support for "free college", that support is not universal among all demographics, and the older voters (i.e. the more reliable ones) tend to be against it.
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I think there may be another issue. It is all very well to poll for individual things in isolation, but nobody campaigns on a single sentence policy position in isolation. You have a number of policy positions that get judged together. You have to talk about paying for them. I saw some analysis claiming that was the issue with Labour's disastrous manifesto going into the last election in the UK. Lots of the policies individually polled well, but taken together they were wildly unpopular. In part, the claim was people didn't believe the free lunch they were being offered was plausible.

The support for the parts of the far left agenda may be individually greater than the support for the whole of it.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
I don't. I was going to vote for Biden, but he's tainted now so...
But I have a prediction. Tara Reade's accusation will be investigated and thoroughly discredited (though 90% of republicans will still 'believe' her). Then a week before the election the FBI will announce that new evidence has been uncovered - which turns out to be nothing. Trumps wins.
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"Tainted" by what?
 
shuttlt said:
IThe support for the parts of the far left agenda may be individually greater than the support for the whole of it.
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Considering that the mainstream right wing agenda is now officially “Science is stupid and we should let people die because capitalism”, we might see that begin to change.
 
shuttlt said:
I think there may be another issue. It is all very well to poll for individual things in isolation, but nobody campaigns on a single sentence policy position in isolation. You have a number of policy positions that get judged together. You have to talk about paying for them. I saw some analysis claiming that was the issue with Labour's disastrous manifesto going into the last election in the UK. Lots of the policies individually polled well, but taken together they were wildly unpopular. In part, the claim was people didn't believe the free lunch they were being offered was plausible.

The support for the parts of the far left agenda may be individually greater than the support for the whole of it.
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”No free lunch.” A classic Tory meme to scare the people off voting for their own self interests and the obscenely wealthy from paying their share in taxes or wages.
 
Sideroxylon said:
”No free lunch.” A classic Tory meme to scare the people off voting for their own self interests and the obscenely wealthy from paying their share in taxes or wages.
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Americans seem to have trouble understanding a distinction between "taxes" and "costs." Medicare for All or anything similar would require a big increase in income taxes. But by most reasonable estimates, the total costs for health would be lower than in the current profit-based system and most people would pay less in taxes than they pay now for health insurance, if they have it at all. Free or state college for all would require tax increases, but the average family wouldn't rack up five- and six-figure loans to send their kids to school. And of course income taxes are -- or are at least supposed to be -- progressive, so the rich pay more, where under the current systems the poorest Americans don't even get health care or college education
 
Biden's six to seven point lead over Trump has been the steadiest in modern polling. By contrast 2016 was chaos mixed with agonizing screams. People who study voting trends tend to think that while 2016 was the election with the most minds made up at the last possible second, this election seems to have had people decide they were going to ride with Biden a long time ago and have never wavered.
 
Sideroxylon said:
”No free lunch.” A classic Tory meme to scare the people off voting for their own self interests and the obscenely wealthy from paying their share in taxes or wages.
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It doesn't matter what you think, or even if you are right. Of course you believe in the policies you believe in and think the attacks on them are invalid for what ever reason. That's more or less true of everybody. What you have to do though is put yourself in the mind of people who you potentially have to convince in order to put your ideas into practice.

By all means Corbyn's manifesto was terrific and "won the argument", just not in a way that avoided a catastrophic collapse in the vote. It's victories like that that change the world.

Back to my point, individual things may poll well on their own - low taxes may poll well, high public spending may poll well. The question is how does it all poll together.

If you want to argue that the public should be in favour of the whole platform of who ever it is you support, your argument is with the public at large and not me.
 
zorro99 said:
Zachary from Vista
@ZacAKAMadu
So it looks like #TaraReade was charged with check fraud on August 2, 1993, and the Biden Senate office forced her to resign in lieu of termination within the end of the week.

Suddenly this whole tawdry spectacle makes a lot of sense...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZacAKAMadu/status/1258781555981537281
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In California, "check fraud" means 1 of 3 things:
- the name listed on the "Pay to the order of" line was changed
- the monetary amount on the check was changed
- the check was forged
"Bouncing" checks is labelled as "bad check".

At a minimum, this explains why Tara Reade could not get another job; she might have not even been eligible to work in a similar capacity. It would be interesting to know where the checks that she altered came from (she went through a diversion program, so she must have pleaded guilty).
 
shuttlt said:
It doesn't matter what you think, or even if you are right. Of course you believe in the policies you believe in and think the attacks on them are invalid for what ever reason. That's more or less true of everybody. What you have to do though is put yourself in the mind of people who you potentially have to convince in order to put your ideas into practice.

By all means Corbyn's manifesto was terrific and "won the argument", just not in a way that avoided a catastrophic collapse in the vote. It's victories like that that change the world.

Back to my point, individual things may poll well on their own - low taxes may poll well, high public spending may poll well. The question is how does it all poll together.

If you want to argue that the public should be in favour of the whole platform of who ever it is you support, your argument is with the public at large and not me.
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We live in plutocracies where billionaires create and control the narratives through their media orgs and astroturfing think tanks. Meanwhile average incomes drop, poverty grows, the environment is poisoned and they get richer. Biden will only bring back decorum to the racket.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
In California, "check fraud" means 1 of 3 things:
- the name listed on the "Pay to the order of" line was changed
- the monetary amount on the check was changed
- the check was forged
"Bouncing" checks is labelled as "bad check".

At a minimum, this explains why Tara Reade could not get another job; she might have not even been eligible to work in a similar capacity. It would be interesting to know where the checks that she altered came from (she went through a diversion program, so she must have pleaded guilty).
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Are reading this **** you are posting? This has zero bearing on her sexual assault allegations.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Are reading this **** you are posting? This has zero bearing on her sexual assault allegations.
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One of her claims is that she was fired for filing sexual harassment charges. If instead she was fired for stealing money from her employer, that certainly has some bearing on her claims. We also know that Reade has stolen from another employer and made false claims against that employer after that information came out.

If the twitter claimant is telling the truth, Reade has a pattern of stealing from employers and accusing them of other crimes after her crime is discovered. This certainly pertains to her accusations in this instance.
 
Tara Reade's check fraud case was purged from public record after she payed up the amount she owed.

Apparently this was a common course of events for people who wrote checks with an insufficient balance. It only was prosecuted if someone who wrote a bad check refused to pay up.

This is 1990's equivalent of going negative balance on a debit card.

Is this the big reveal that destroys her credibility? A young person was living hand to mouth and had a check bounce. Is this shocking to anyone?

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1259181237245292544

Reade claims that she had already left Biden's office before the bounced check court action and that the Aug 6th date from her employment record was simply the date of her last paycheck for that pay period. Aug 6th is a Friday, a common payday.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
Are reading this **** you are posting? This has zero bearing on her sexual assault allegations.
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Why does it have "zero bearing" to point out that one part of her story - that she was frozen out of jobs because she filed a complaint against Biden - is false? And that another part - she quit or was fired because of harassment or complaining about harassment - might also not be true? If parts of her story aren't credible, is it not reasonable to wonder if other parts aren't credible?

You are free to try to convince me that her allegation is credible. So far, no one has made that attempt.
 
Sideroxylon said:
We live in plutocracies where billionaires create and control the narratives through their media orgs and astroturfing think tanks. Meanwhile average incomes drop, poverty grows, the environment is poisoned and they get richer. Biden will only bring back decorum to the racket.
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I noticed some of that when we went from "W. is a war criminal!" to "Obama is doing the very best he can within a very broken system."
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Tara Reade's check fraud case was purged from public record after she payed up the amount she owed.

Apparently this was a common course of events for people who wrote checks with an insufficient balance. It only was prosecuted if someone who wrote a bad check refused to pay up.

This is 1990's equivalent of going negative balance on a debit card. I regularly got hit with insufficient funds on my debit card until i got my first decently paying job after college.

Is this the big reveal that destroys her credibility?

https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1259181237245292544
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That by itself does not destroy her credibility.

But that, in combination with changing claims about why she left Washington, combined with changing claims about what exactly Biden did, combined with questions regarding her Putin love letters (and her weird suggestions about why it should be ignored), all combined challenges her credibility.

One mistake or inconsistency... Understandable. (Hey people make mistakes.) Two problems? Well not that far fetched that a decent honest person would have a couple of issues. But Reade has a LONG track record of that sort of thing.

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