PartSkeptic’s Thread for Predictions and Other Matters of Interest

[Pixel42]

Sham industry funded trial designed to fail.

Provided the trials were properly conducted, the funding is irrelevant.

Show me a properly conducted trial that got a different result (funding again irrelevant, funded by believers in EHS like you is fine) and I'll start to pay attention. But you can't, can you? All you've got is anecdotes.

Dig deep with a skeptical mind and you may get an idea of how it is done.

Dig deep with a skeptical mind and you may get an idea of how you could be fooling yourself.

I take it you also believe that stage magic is real.

I once saw David Copperfield saw himself in half and put himself back together again. If, like you, I assumed my personal subjective experiences were the ultimate source of reliable information I would believe that stage magic is real.

Stage magicians take advantage of the same cognitive biases by which believers in homeopathy, dowsing and (almost certainly) EHS are allowing themselves to be fooled. That's why it's necessary to be aware of those biases, and to give more credence to properly conducted and blinded trials (regardless of who funded them) than to one's own subjective experiences.

 

[Mojo]

Sham industry funded trial designed to fail. Dig deep with a skeptical mind and you may get an idea of how it is done. I take it you also believe that stage magic is real.

Did you even read the link?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Sham industry funded trial designed to fail. Dig deep with a skeptical mind and you may get an idea of how it is done. I take it you also believe that stage magic is real.

OK, PartSkeptic, why don't you show us how it's done?
Here is a link to a meta-study, from that Wiki article.
Please dig deep, with a skeptical mind, and demonstrate how this study is a sham, was funded by industry, was designed to fail, and is the equivalent of stage magic.
I'm sure I am not alone in wanting to see this demonstration of your analytical skills.

 

[p0lka]

... My wife now tells me when she turns on her WiFi modem so I can go to the garage and work there and use shielding. I get a headache within 15 minutes if in the house with no shielding.

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Sham industry funded trial designed to fail. Dig deep with a skeptical mind and you may get an idea of how it is done. I take it you also believe that stage magic is real.

You are in a position to test this for yourself.

Get your wife to test you by turning the wifi on/pretend to turn the wifi on several times a day, you should know which is pretend and which is real within 15 minutes.

Make sure you count the misses as well as hits though.

 

[PartSkeptic]

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You are in a position to test this for yourself.

Get your wife to test you by turning the wifi on/pretend to turn the wifi on several times a day, you should know which is pretend and which is real within 15 minutes.

Make sure you count the misses as well as hits though.

Good suggestion. At 10 am and 3 pm, I will ask her to put the modem under a shoe box in the room and chose to turn on or pretend to turn on. Give it 30 minutes and then I make a choice of on or off. Easier than the tower.

I wonder how many days I can do this. It hammers me. I now have a good routine of meals and tablets and seem okay as far as flu. The problem is in the next few days I must go to the old house and to the factory. But I am willing to try it. It is worse when she is speaking on her phone so I may have to figure out how to do that. Maybe the the modem and I should be in the garage, and when it is on she chats to someone. I will start tomorrow with one off and one on, and record how I feel. She can measure the radiation in the house.

Thanks.

 

[Pixel42]

You are in a position to test this for yourself.

Get your wife to test you by turning the wifi on/pretend to turn the wifi on several times a day, you should know which is pretend and which is real within 15 minutes.

Make sure you count the misses as well as hits though.

That's a much simpler test protocol than the one he proposed using foil lined boxes etc to test the effect of cell tower emf. All that's required is for him and his wife to sit in different rooms for a couple of hours each day and keep a written record.

Hypothesis: PartSkeptic will develop a headache within 15 minutes of the wifi being switched on.

Start with the wifi off. After 30 minutes she tosses a coin and switches it on if it's heads, leaves it off if it's tails. Then every 30 minutes she tosses the coin again and either leaves it as it is or switches it on/off as indicated. He records whether he thinks it's currently on or off five minutes before each coin toss is due. Put both records in envelopes, seal and date before leaving the separate rooms. Repeat a few times to get sufficient results to be statistically significant, then open the envelopes and compare the records.

Such an unwitnessed test won't be sufficient to convince anyone else, but the first person you need to convince of an hypothesis is yourself. At the moment he actually has no more reason to be convinced than we do, because the anecdotal evidence he has is wholly inadequate.

ETA: PS posted to say he will try it whilst I was posting. I await the result with interest.

 

[Pixel42]

Good suggestion. At 10 am and 3 pm, I will ask her to put the modem under a shoe box in the room and chose to turn on or pretend to turn on. Give it 30 minutes and then I make a choice of on or off. Easier than the tower.

You need to be in a separate room from your wife when she tosses the coin (rather than just deciding for herself), and record whether you think the wifi is on or off before meeting back up with her. I hope you don't need me to explain why.

 

[PartSkeptic]

If God exists he will guide people to change society. Cartoons can often present a scenario in pictures with satiric accuracy. Here is one - and a South African to boot. Must be something in the water.

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/cartoon/poynton-shutes-coronavirus-novel/

Poyton Shute’s “What-If? Scenario”

For Millennia Terran societies have harbored wild and crazy ideas about the origins and purpose of the universe, and who’s in charge of it. It’s a “What If” game that has been going on since the beginning of forever. Let’s play.
What if our galaxy, the Milky Way, is governed by a Quadrumvirate of the Interstellar Security Council?

Omnideus governs the Earth and hundreds of planets with advanced intelligent life.
Dinos rules the thousands of planets dominated by Mesozoic-type vertebrates.
Etymos oversees the gazillions of arthropods across the Galaxy.
Anomalocaris looks after the billions of planets where microbial, unicellular and prevertebrates life forms exist.

I.S.C. emergency meeting, circa 1 year ago.

Anomalocaris says “This planet is sick. It’s temperature is way above normal/ It’s spewing toxic poisons into the atmosphere”. And he points at Earth.
Dinos says “One of yours, is it not, Omnideus?”
“Yes” replies Omnideus.
“It’s a galactic health risk,” says Dinos.
“I am fully aware of it, Dinos. And I am sure I don’t have to remind you that is was in your custody when we last smote it!” counters Omnideus.
“With the ateroid, I do recall – as it was yesterday!” grunts Dinos.
“A tragic error on our part,” sighs Omnideus.
“You are not in favour of extinction?” queries Anomalocaris.
“No. We need these Terrans. But they need to grow up. Fast. To repair their ecology, confront their destiny, turn off their machines, go home, reconnect with nature. Allow their planet some time to clear its lungs,” grimaces Omnideus. “But how do we get them to do that?”

 

[PartSkeptic]

You need to be in a separate room from your wife when she tosses the coin (rather than just deciding for herself), and record whether you think the wifi is on or off before meeting back up with her. I hope you don't need me to explain why.

I know the drill. But thanks. I will video myself now and then, and take written notes.

 

[RedStapler]

If God exists he will guide people to change society. Cartoons can often present a scenario in pictures with satiric accuracy. Here is one - and a South African to boot. Must be something in the water.

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/cartoon/poynton-shutes-coronavirus-novel/

Poyton Shute’s “What-If? Scenario”

For Millennia Terran societies have harbored wild and crazy ideas about the origins and purpose of the universe, and who’s in charge of it. It’s a “What If” game that has been going on since the beginning of forever. Let’s play.
What if our galaxy, the Milky Way, is governed by a Quadrumvirate of the Interstellar Security Council?

Omnideus governs the Earth and hundreds of planets with advanced intelligent life.
Dinos rules the thousands of planets dominated by Mesozoic-type vertebrates.
Etymos oversees the gazillions of arthropods across the Galaxy.
Anomalocaris looks after the billions of planets where microbial, unicellular and prevertebrates life forms exist.

I.S.C. emergency meeting, circa 1 year ago.

Anomalocaris says “This planet is sick. It’s temperature is way above normal/ It’s spewing toxic poisons into the atmosphere”. And he points at Earth.
Dinos says “One of yours, is it not, Omnideus?”
“Yes” replies Omnideus.
“It’s a galactic health risk,” says Dinos.
“I am fully aware of it, Dinos. And I am sure I don’t have to remind you that is was in your custody when we last smote it!” counters Omnideus.
“With the ateroid, I do recall – as it was yesterday!” grunts Dinos.
“A tragic error on our part,” sighs Omnideus.
“You are not in favour of extinction?” queries Anomalocaris.
“No. We need these Terrans. But they need to grow up. Fast. To repair their ecology, confront their destiny, turn off their machines, go home, reconnect with nature. Allow their planet some time to clear its lungs,” grimaces Omnideus. “But how do we get them to do that?”

That's.......something.

“It’s a galactic health risk,” says Dinos.

How so? Dinos seems to be pretty uninformed for the position he is in. Why does he not know that we are barely able to leave this planet except for the ISS? How could we possibly bring this (btw completely undefined) health risk to other places in the galaxy? Looks like our next neighbors are nowhere to be found )

We need these Terrans.

For what?

 

[Pixel42]

For Millennia Terran societies have harbored wild and crazy ideas about the origins and purpose of the universe, and who’s in charge of it.

Here's a wild and crazy idea for you: the universe had no [supernatural] origin, has no purpose, and there is no one in charge of it.

 

[BStrong]

Good suggestion. At 10 am and 3 pm, I will ask her to put the modem under a shoe box in the room and chose to turn on or pretend to turn on. Give it 30 minutes and then I make a choice of on or off. Easier than the tower.

I wonder how many days I can do this. It hammers me. I now have a good routine of meals and tablets and seem okay as far as flu. The problem is in the next few days I must go to the old house and to the factory. But I am willing to try it. It is worse when she is speaking on her phone so I may have to figure out how to do that. Maybe the the modem and I should be in the garage, and when it is on she chats to someone. I will start tomorrow with one off and one on, and record how I feel. She can measure the radiation in the house.

Thanks.

Complete and utter nonsense.

 

[Hans]

Here's a wild and crazy idea for you: the universe had no [supernatural] origin, has no purpose, and there is no one in charge of it.

That is a very scary idea to some. Many must have a substitute parent who is watching out for them and has as a plan for their life.

Free will is not for everyone

 

[BStrong]

That is a very scary idea to some. Many must have a substitute parent who is watching out for them and has as a plan for their life.

Free will is not for everyone

Well said.

I just had a rw conversation on this very subject.

There are folks that can't accept "the random" as an actuality - the concept that one could be in the right place at the right time or in any possible variation of that phrase without divine or other intervention or intent is beyond their understanding

 

[EHocking]

I know the drill. But thanks. I will video myself now and then, and take written notes.

Just don’t video yourself with your EMF emitting phone.

 

[PartSkeptic]

Just don’t video yourself with your EMF emitting phone.

Great minds think alike. I realized I should not have a phone with me for two reasons. Even on aeroplane mode it still emits slightly. But I could be accused of using it to detect WiFi sources - even though cheating defeats the purpose.

Last night I felt amazing. I mean absolutely blissful. If one draws a line with normal in the middle and pain on the left, I was way on the right. My wife asked me if I had taken drugs. I do not (apart from the one morning Tramadol).

I have become so sensitive to chemicals that I cannot drink alcohol and I cannot have anything with preservatives in it. I cannot tolerate anything with a lot of sugar. Okay by me.

I now have a very healthy diet. Oats with raisins and milk in the morning. Grapefruit a bit later. Some nuts and dates for a late morning snack. An avocado on cracker bread at noon. The main meal is between 2 and 4 pm. Luckily my wife is a fantastic cook. My favorite meal is now Ratatouille. I limit my meat intake.

My wife bakes some muffins and a vanilla cake with chocolate icing for the occasional tea. I can no longer eat ginger biscuits which I used to like a lot. Some jelly and custard with fresh strawberries for evening dessert. I should not have coffee but it is too difficult to break the habit.

At night we sit together and watch an episode of Doc Martin. The days are wonderful and I enjoy the projects. Being forced to move away by the tower was a blessing. The new house is amazing, and the lock up is like a gentle retirement and holiday.

The last few days I repaired a large garden shed in our back yard (wood frame with cement asbestos board) and then set up a rig to move it by myself. I sledgehammered a pick axe into the ground to act like an anchor and then used rope winch to slide the shed. A full 3 meters. Then used the pickaxe as a lever with wedges and raised it so I could put a brick support around the edges. With rope, levers, winches and the like there is not much a single person cannot achieve. Just takes patience.

It seems there might be hope for me yet. I now have to figure out what was different in the last day or two to have caused my state of bliss. One possibility was that I wore my aluminium head shield a lot yesterday. Will try that again today.

 

[PartSkeptic]

Here's a wild and crazy idea for you: the universe had no [supernatural] origin, has no purpose, and there is no one in charge of it.

Where on Earth did you get such a wild and crazy idea? So unscientific. We all know that everything has a cause, and that the most simple cause for emergent intelligence is a Prime Cause Intelligence.

 

[Mojo]

Where on Earth did you get such a wild and crazy idea? So unscientific. We all know that everything has a cause, and that the most simple cause for emergent intelligence is a Prime Cause Intelligence.

Turtles all the way down.

 

[Pixel42]

Where on Earth did you get such a wild and crazy idea? So unscientific. We all know that everything has a cause, and that the most simple cause for emergent intelligence is a Prime Cause Intelligence.

Those of us who have kept up with the scientific discoveries of the last century know otherwise.

 

[Ulf Nereng]

Sham industry funded trial designed to fail. Dig deep with a skeptical mind and you may get an idea of how it is done. I take it you also believe that stage magic is real.

Nope. Government funded.

"COST is the abbreviation for ‘European Cooperation in the field of Scientific and Technical research’, which is one of the longest-running European bodies supporting cooperation among scientists and researchers across Europe. It is also the first and widest European intergovernmental network for coordination of nationally funded research activities."