Biden for President?

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xjx388 said:
Originally Posted by Stacyhs
Because he hasn't been examined by a mental health professional in person.
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Excellent reason. I just wish it applied no matter the letter after someone’s name.
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Then maybe you should have thought of that before you posted this:


xjx388 said:
Biden lies. He makes stories up to make himself sound better. He has an issue with touching women in inappropriate ways. He may have sexually assaulted someone. He can't speak coherently sometimes. Why doesn't that make you go, Hmmmmm.....
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xjx388 said:
Biden lies. He makes stories up to make himself sound better. He has an issue with touching women in inappropriate ways. He may have sexually assaulted someone. He can't speak coherently sometimes. Why doesn't that make you go, Hmmmmm.....
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Biden lies? Trump almost never tells the truth.

As for touching women inappropriately, Trump has been accused by 20 women of different levels of assault. And let's not forget it was Trump and not Biden who said he could grab women by the pussy and get away with it.
 
acbytesla said:
Biden lies? Trump almost never tells the truth.

As for touching women inappropriately, Trump has been accused by 20 women of different levels of assault. And let's not forget it was Trump and not Biden who said he could grab women by the pussy and get away with it.
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No woman has accused Biden of anything near sexual assault or harassment except Reade. They just said he made them 'uncomfortable' by basically invading their personal space...and in public. How dare he!
 
Stacyhs said:
No woman has accused Biden of anything near sexual assault or harassment except Reade. They just said he made them 'uncomfortable' by basically invading their personal space...and in public. How dare he!
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He came from a time when kissing babies and being super-personal was actually expected of a politician. The rules changed during his tenure as a political leader. I don't believe Reade. I think something happened that she either exaggerated in her mind what happened or was paid to smear Biden.

The only way I'm not voting for Biden is he isn't the Democratic nominee. But I seriously would vote for my garbage man over Trump.
 
acbytesla said:
Biden lies? Trump almost never tells the truth.
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acbytesla said:
As for touching women inappropriately, Trump has been accused by 20 women of different levels of assault. And let's not forget it was Trump and not Biden who said he could grab women by the pussy and get away with it.
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It's funny how posts like this are made here all day long with nary a claim of whataboutism.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
It's funny how posts like this are made here all day long with nary a claim of whataboutism.
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And your point is? Trump is the most awful person....not even politician I have ever experienced. He's self centered beyond belief. He's a bully. He says awful things about anyone and everyone who has the temerity to disagree with him.

At a time when we need a President to unite the country, Trump's only concern is himself. George W. Bush expressed this just last week and Trump just **** on him.

He runs his mouth when he should shut up. Can you imagine Biden acting like he knows more than the Doctors and the CDC about COVID? There are definitely things I don't like about Biden. His support for changing the bankruptcy laws in favor of businesses and banks comes to mind.

But Trump is doing his damndest to destroy democracy and the rule of law in the US. He's corrupt, he's sleazy. He's a disaster
 
zorro99 said:
Zachary from Vista
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So it looks like #TaraReade was charged with check fraud on August 2, 1993, and the Biden Senate office forced her to resign in lieu of termination within the end of the week.

Suddenly this whole tawdry spectacle makes a lot of sense...

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZacAKAMadu/status/1258781555981537281
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We've already discussed this in detail. She also was accused of stealing $1400 by fraudulently charging her horse's vet bill to a horse rescue organization and stealing a donation object from the same organization's fundraising event. See my post at 11:50 AM.
 
Stacyhs said:
I think I know better how I'd have seen B-F than you do.
Sure it's 'whataboutism': bringing up Brett Kavanaugh is resorting to "a tactic in which a person responds to an argument or attack by changing the subject to focus on someone else's (mis)conduct".
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I am not bringing up K to change the subject. I don’t even care about the flimsy accusations against either K or B. The subject is Biden’s nomination and I’m comparing the responses to accusations against him and K and wondering why B has so many defenders, many among them who were quick to call for K’s withdrawal/non-confirmation/impeachment. What I’m getting in response is “it’s not the same because flimsy reasons” when clearly it is very much the same.
Credibility can certainly be subjective but when someone has a long history of lying, committing fraud and theft on multiple occasions, I don't think it's illogical to conclude that person may be a liar and a thief.
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Discredit the victim is never a good strategy. I thought that’s what we were supposed to be learning from the #metoo movement. The accusations either stand or fall on their own.

Not all crimes have physical evidence. Witnesses are not physical evidence of the crime itself.
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If someone had physically witnessed the crime, that’s pretty good evidence. Here we have zero evidence. Should just be dismissed and no big deal made about it, right?

But no. The #metoo #believethewomen movement has painted its proponents into a corner. That’s why we are seeing this effort to discredit a woman who has accused a powerful politician. I think it’s hypocritical.



Yes, you are. You keep bringing it up. Your excuses sound weak to me. I think it's bias.


It's evidence that lends credibility to the accuser's claim and helps to discredit Kavanaugh. For example, the terms "boofing" and "Devil's Triangle in his yearbook made no sense in the context that K claimed. They were common terms used at that time and certainly NOT in the way K claimed. He was lying. Oh, but I forget, credibility is irrelevant to you.
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Biden lies too. Why isn’t that used against him?



It includes exactly what I indicated here. Regardless, you haven't denied that Reade's circumstances were not those you presented .


So now you want to imply that it was never filed in the first place, do you? Someone in the Senate personnel office hushed it all up? And the three staffers who deny she ever complained to them were all in on it, too.
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Why not? Is that impossible?
 
Stacyhs said:
No woman has accused Biden of anything near sexual assault or harassment except Reade. They just said he made them 'uncomfortable' by basically invading their personal space...and in public. How dare he!
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If Reade had been abused by her father, as she has claimed, she could have been more sensitive than the other women were. She might have been especially attractive and therefore treated differently than the other women.
 
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acbytesla said:
And your point is? Trump is the most awful person....not even politician I have ever experienced. He's self centered beyond belief. He's a bully. He says awful things about anyone and everyone who has the temerity to disagree with him.

At a time when we need a President to unite the country, Trump's only concern is himself. George W. Bush expressed this just last week and Trump just **** on him.

He runs his mouth when he should shut up. Can you imagine Biden acting like he knows more than the Doctors and the CDC about COVID? There are definitely things I don't like about Biden. His support for changing the bankruptcy laws in favor of businesses and banks comes to mind.

But Trump is doing his damndest to destroy democracy and the rule of law in the US. He's corrupt, he's sleazy. He's a disaster
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Comparing Biden's shortcomings toTrump's is like comparing a man who lost his temper and punched someone to Anders Brevik.

I still find it hard to understand why a better Democratic challenger could not be found, but in the sleazy scumbag stakes there really is no contest.
 
xjx388 said:
I am not bringing up K to change the subject. I don’t even care about the flimsy accusations against either K or B. The subject is Biden’s nomination and I’m comparing the responses to accusations against him and K and wondering why B has so many defenders, many among them who were quick to call for K’s withdrawal/non-confirmation/impeachment. What I’m getting in response is “it’s not the same because flimsy reasons” when clearly it is very much the same.
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Clearly it is NOT the same. Biden has more defenders because the accusation against him is so much more flimsy than that against Kavanaugh. As I've shown before.

Discredit the victim is never a good strategy. I thought that’s what we were supposed to be learning from the #metoo movement. The accusations either stand or fall on their own.
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It's not about discrediting the victim; it's determining if her accusations are credible. When there is no physical evidence or witnesses to support the accusations, the victim's credibility comes very much into play. If the accuser has a history of making false allegations or lying or other dishonest behavior it matters.

No, the #metoo movement is about hearing the victim and taking the accusations seriously. It is not about just blindly believing her.
If someone had physically witnessed the crime, that’s pretty good evidence. Here we have zero evidence. Should just be dismissed and no big deal made about it, right?
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It's not just being dismissed. It's being looked into. And so far, there is not much, if anything, to support her accusations. On the other hand, there is evidence of her changing her story, giving various accounts, and being a liar and a thief.

But no. The #metoo #believethewomen movement has painted its proponents into a corner. That’s why we are seeing this effort to discredit a woman who has accused a powerful politician. I think it’s hypocritical.
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So what would you suggest? Just believe her and ruin a man who has served this country for 50 years even though there is virtually nothing to support her story of being sexually assaulted?


Biden lies too. Why isn’t that used against him?
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Oh, come on! It has been and in this very thread. But his "lies" do not constitute a crime.

Why not? Is that impossible?
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Sure. It's not impossible that the Senate Personnel office didn't file the complaint. It's also possible that the three staffers are lying. It's also possible that Reade is a Russian agent. But are any of these probable? No.
 
My growing list of things that make me go hmmmm about the Reade thing.


The story about the assault didn't come about until after she started writing love letters to Putin and after the nomination process had been seen through. Why not back in February when we still had like ten candidates to choose from? Why all the vague tweets about "timing" and "tick toc" implying she was holding off on revealing it for maximum political impact?

She has at least four different stories about losing her job in the Senate. And two different stories about how she got to California afterward.

She claims her ex husband is a serial killer wanted by the FBI but no one seems to have found any evidence for this.

Defrauding and stealing from multiple organizations plus floating bad checks makes her seem a bit iffy on ethics in the first place.

Then we get to her actual assault accusation that has us believe she wore "crotchless lingerie" in the Capital Building and that old Joe came in and committed the assault in a public space where there would be security (or at least security cameras) everywhere not to mention wandering public and staffers. If Joe is a sex predator that is so smooth he has gotten away with it for 30+ years without ever being caught it seems like a very weird and hazardous thing to do.

So...with all that considered what is more plausible: that a woman with a demonstrated history of histronics and grift was somehow either the only victim of Old Joe or the only one brave enough to ever tell on him OR that maybe this is just another ploy of hers? Maybe one that she hopes gets her a dacha of her own where she can be with her new crush Putin?
 
It seems the classification code for Tara Reade losing her job indicates she was fired and disciplined with docked pay prior to it. She did not quit. So that version of her story can be put to rest.
 
Well, there are two candidates: one is a dangerous, unhinged moron who is being accused of sexual assault by 20 women, the other is a moderately competent career politician who is accused of sexual assault by one woman. Well, I guess that's a hard choice then :)
 
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Travis said:
It seems the classification code for Tara Reade losing her job indicates she was fired and disciplined with docked pay prior to it. She did not quit. So that version of her story can be put to rest.
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I just note that the poster links to 49 pages of OPM employment classification codes, including almost two pages alone regarding "termination," "resignation," "separation" and "removal" for numerous reasons. Without much more information, I don't think you can assume that "term" means she was fired, or that a pay adjustment was necessarily punitive. For that matter, even if there was a problem, the usual procedure almost anywhere would be to ask for an employee's resignation in exchange for a decent reference, instead of opening up the legal complexities of firing somebody for cause.
https://www.fsa.usda.gov/Internet/FSA_File/eopf_ehri_master_forms_list_v4.pdf

The first question to ask is what did she intend to prove when she posted the letter? Did she really intend to prove she was disciplined and fired? Or just that she worked where she said?
 
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Travis said:
It seems the classification code for Tara Reade losing her job indicates she was fired and disciplined with docked pay prior to it. She did not quit. So that version of her story can be put to rest.
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This one also looks fake. There are enough reasons to question her credibility without having to make stuff up.
 
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