Biden for President?

[uke2se]

Hate to break it to you, but Trumpists have google too.

All the horrible things about Biden are there. It's been reported on throughout the many years of Biden's career, just waiting to be picked up. And they will, whether or not your resident forum doom-sayer points them out or holds his tongue.

It's probably why, before now, his runs for president have ended in spectacular disaster. Strange, that in this time of unique crisis, the party settled on a candidate known to be weak.

Trumpists have google too, but what you are doing is called amplification. Stop doing that. I understand that you are sour that the primary voters didn't want Bernie. I would have also prefered him over Biden. Don't help explode the country and potentially the world because of that.

 

[TragicMonkey]

"Just go along, don't say anything, don't fight it" isn't perhaps the best approach to gather support for a candidate who sails close to the wind on creepy behavior.

 

[varwoche]

@Delvo. Maybe I wasn't clear this was addressed to you. Your thoughts?

"They" That's one of the biggest problems with your presentation.

Who is they? And by what means do these amorphous entities pull off the shenanigans you accuse them of?

 

[uke2se]

"Just go along, don't say anything, don't fight it" isn't perhaps the best approach to gather support for a candidate who sails close to the wind on creepy behavior.

It is when the other candidate is oh so much worse and concepts such as freedom and democracy literally hangs in the balance. Sometimes it is the pragmatic thing to do to think of the common interest and act accordingly.

 

[TragicMonkey]

It is when the other candidate is oh so much worse and concepts such as freedom and democracy literally hangs in the balance. Sometimes it is the pragmatic thing to do to think of the common interest and act accordingly.

Are you suggesting we lie still and think of America?

 

[uke2se]

Are you suggesting we lie still and think of America?

Lie still and think of the world. It's not just about you guys. The rest of us depend on you making the right choice in november. We don't get a vote, even though your choice affects us all.

 

[wareyin]

"Just go along, don't say anything, don't fight it" isn't perhaps the best approach to gather support for a candidate who sails close to the wind on creepy behavior.

The next President will be Trump, or he will be Biden. Have you considered why you are fighting against Biden so much, and what do you wish to accomplish by fighting against Biden? Spoiler alert: if you succeed in your fight, you get Trump.

 

[TragicMonkey]

The next President will be Trump, or he will be Biden. Have you considered why you are fighting against Biden so much, and what do you wish to accomplish by fighting against Biden? Spoiler alert: if you succeed in your fight, you get Trump.

I'm not "fighting against Biden". Having a criticism does not equal "fighting against" unless you are a cultist who demands total loyalty in all thought towards the cult leader. Perhaps in your tribalism that's the case, but I'm not a member of your tribe. I'm an American and I think and say whatever I wish. That's the point of the place.

If Biden is so weak a candidate that he can't survive some random person marking snarky comments on an internet message board then he doesn't deserve to win.

 

[shuttlt]

Hate to break it to you, but Trumpists have google too.

All the horrible things about Biden are there. It's been reported on throughout the many years of Biden's career, just waiting to be picked up. And they will, whether or not your resident forum doom-sayer points them out or holds his tongue.

It's probably why, before now, his runs for president have ended in spectacular disaster. Strange, that in this time of unique crisis, the party settled on a candidate known to be weak.

If you think this is rough treatment, you're in for a bad time come general election season.

It makes it harder to dismiss it all as things that only "Trumpists" believe, if the people on the left who believe it too say so too publicly. Maintaining a public front of "no decent person thinks that" is powerful. Lots of passive, disinterested people are never going to look into the issue and assume you are right. Of course there are costs in this strategy too.

 

[uke2se]

I'm not "fighting against Biden". Having a criticism does not equal "fighting against" unless you are a cultist who demands total loyalty in all thought towards the cult leader. Perhaps in your tribalism that's the case, but I'm not a member of your tribe. I'm an American and I think and say whatever I wish. That's the point of the place.

If Biden is so weak a candidate that he can't survive some random person marking snarky comments on an internet message board then he doesn't deserve to win.

That's not really the point. There will be a lot of people saying snarky things about Biden on message boards. The point is, you don't have to amplify that if you want Biden to win over Trump. If you would rather Trump win, that's fine (well, not really, but still...), but those of us who would like to preserve US democracy have a vested interest in not amplifying criticism of Biden, valid though it might be.

 

[TragicMonkey]

That's not really the point. There will be a lot of people saying snarky things about Biden on message boards. The point is, you don't have to amplify that if you want Biden to win over Trump. If you would rather Trump win, that's fine (well, not really, but still...), but those of us who would like to preserve US democracy have a vested interest in not amplifying criticism of Biden, valid though it might be.

You say it's not the point, then you say it is the point. You want to stifle criticism of Biden because you think that'll help him win. What other speech do you wish you could suppress? Would your speech codes only be enforced before the election, or would it be necessary to keep them going during Biden's term in office to support his regime?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

You say it's not the point, then you say it is the point. You want to stifle criticism of Biden because you think that'll help him win. What other speech do you wish you could suppress? Would your speech codes only be enforced before the election, or would it be necessary to keep them going during Biden's term in office to support his regime?

There are perfectly happy for us to complain when there is no stakes or leverage to demand change.



Rare for me, I have something kind to say about Biden.

He is using his platform at the candidate to hilight the atrocious killing of an unarmed black man, Ahmaud Arbery, who was shot by two white men who found a black jogger suspicious. I'm very happy that he is using his high profile to try to drag this modern day lynching out into the sunlight, because it seems like both men are likely to get away with a broad-daylight murder of an unarmed man. Increased public outcry has lead to the decision being handed off to a grand jury rather than dismissed outright.

Well done Biden. He wasn't the first to raise complaints about this, but by far the highest profile.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52557609

Video on CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/05/us/ahmaud-arbery-jogging-georgia-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-05-06T00%3A57%3A26&utm_source=twCNN

The two killers set up a road block with their truck to confront the unarmed black jogger. They shot him several times during the confrontation. So far, Georgia law enforcement is claiming that this is lawful self defense because the man tried to grab the shotgun when accosted by two armed strangers.

 

[shuttlt]

That's not really the point. There will be a lot of people saying snarky things about Biden on message boards. The point is, you don't have to amplify that if you want Biden to win over Trump. If you would rather Trump win, that's fine (well, not really, but still...), but those of us who would like to preserve US democracy have a vested interest in not amplifying criticism of Biden, valid though it might be.

I know you aren't going to be convinced by this, but lots of people who I've encountered who have "left the left" have done so off the back of encountering people like you uke2se. Your way of operating is the fuel for countless Youtube channels documenting "the lies of the mainstream media and Democratic establishment". You won't find them convincing, but there are people who do. Without your way of operating, they would have a much harder time producing content.

Maybe the number of those people is small enough not to matter? I don't claim to know. There are potential downsides though.

 

[uke2se]

You say it's not the point, then you say it is the point. You want to stifle criticism of Biden because you think that'll help him win. What other speech do you wish you could suppress? Would your speech codes only be enforced before the election, or would it be necessary to keep them going during Biden's term in office to support his regime?

If it were up to me, I would force you guys to all canvas for Biden.

It's not up to me. I can only ask that you don't **** it up. Again.

 

[TragicMonkey]

If it were up to me, I would force you guys to all canvas for Biden.

It's not up to me. I can only ask that you don't **** it up. Again.

Where are you from? You have a profound misunderstanding of the American character. If your remarks and mine, just the ones made in this thread, were widely publicized it would be yours that did more damage to Biden's support than mine.

 

[uke2se]

Where are you from? You have a profound misunderstanding of the American character. If your remarks and mine, just the ones made in this thread, were widely publicized it would be yours that did more damage to Biden's support than mine.

I'm from Sweden, and I'm terrified you guys will **** up again. I see the attitudes shown in this thread and can't help but think that if they are widely spread, Trump will win.

I think I understand the American character. It's basically a nine-year old boy going "don't tell me what to do". Time to grow up. People are dying.

 

[varwoche]

I'm not "fighting against Biden". Having a criticism does not equal "fighting against" unless you are a cultist who demands total loyalty in all thought towards the cult leader. Perhaps in your tribalism that's the case, but I'm not a member of your tribe. I'm an American and I think and say whatever I wish. That's the point of the place.

If Biden is so weak a candidate that he can't survive some random person marking snarky comments on an internet message board then he doesn't deserve to win.

First off, I don't object to discussion about Biden's negative characteristics. We're not DNC spokespeople. This is a sleepy backwater that ostensibly favors reality over electioneering.

I can't relate in any way, shape, or form to "deserving to win". At this point, with the nomination settled, I don't even particularly care about Biden's negative characteristics. A far greater problem looms that demands our focus and unity. I see it as an urgent priority.

Concerns about Biden's negatives are better focused on how to do better next time. After 2016 and now 2020, I'm sick and tired of things winnowing down to two abysmal candidates. (To be clear, I'm referring to Biden and Bernie here, not Trump.)

This Iowa and New Hampshire business is a fiasco. Even though those states didn't determine the winner, they did winnow out superior choices.

 

[TragicMonkey]

First off, I don't object to discussion about Biden's negative characteristics. We're not DNC spokespeople. This is a sleepy backwater that ostensibly favors reality over electioneering.

I can't relate in any way, shape, or form to "deserving to win". At this point, with the nomination settled, I don't even particularly care about Biden's negative characteristics. A far greater problem looms that demands our focus and unity. I see it as an urgent priority.

Concerns about Biden's negatives are better focused on how to do better next time. After 2016 and now 2020, I'm sick and tired of things winnowing down to two abysmal candidates. (To be clear, I'm referring to Biden and Bernie here, not Trump.)

This Iowa and New Hampshire business is a fiasco. Even though those states didn't determine the winner, they did winnow out superior choices.

I agree that it's ridiculous that some states exercise such unwarranted power in determining the final candidates.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

From Biden's twitter:

The video is clear: Ahmaud Arbery was killed in cold blood. My heart goes out to his family, who deserve justice and deserve it now. It is time for a swift, full, and transparent investigation into his murder.

Not the tepid type of statement I've come to expect from centrist libs. Very impressed with Biden on this matter.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1257876833581912065

 

[shemp]

There are perfectly happy for us to complain when there is no stakes or leverage to demand change.



Rare for me, I have something kind to say about Biden.

He is using his platform at the candidate to hilight the atrocious killing of an unarmed black man, Ahmaud Arbery, who was shot by two white men who found a black jogger suspicious. I'm very happy that he is using his high profile to try to drag this modern day lynching out into the sunlight, because it seems like both men are likely to get away with a broad-daylight murder of an unarmed man. Increased public outcry has lead to the decision being handed off to a grand jury rather than dismissed outright.

Well done Biden. He wasn't the first to raise complaints about this, but by far the highest profile.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52557609

Video on CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/05/us/ahmaud-arbery-jogging-georgia-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2020-05-06T00%3A57%3A26&utm_source=twCNN

The two killers set up a road block with their truck to confront the unarmed black jogger. They shot him several times during the confrontation. So far, Georgia law enforcement is claiming that this is lawful self defense because the man tried to grab the shotgun when accosted by two armed strangers.

This is a clear example of why we need to have an independent and open media. Without it, this would probably still be buried and never see the light of day. One of our major presidential candidates is doing everything he can to destroy the media. The other is Joe Biden.