JFK Conspiracy Theories VII: Late November back in '63...

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William Parcher said:
I don't recall anyone saying that Bob Dylan isn't woo.
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You may remember he also had a song about Hurricane Carter. It's not like he's not susceptible to woo, he's clearly demonstrated he is.

Celebrities like Dylan aren't any more or less susceptible than the average person.

William F. Buckley fell under the spell of Edgar Smith and championed Smith's cause on his weekly show. Smith was a convicted murderer, having killed 15-year-old Victoria Zielinski in 1957. Smith wrote two non-fiction books about his case.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/24/...r-who-duped-william-f-buckley-dies-at-83.html

Hank
 
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I think Bob was clearing out the garage one day and realized the only thing from the 1960s he didn't write a song about was the assassination...

...that or he was just so stone he's just finding out about it now...:D
 
Axxman300 said:
I think Bob was clearing out the garage one day and realized the only thing from the 1960s he didn't write a song about was the assassination...

...that or he was just so stone[d] he's just finding out about it now...:D
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Wow. Talk about coming full circle. A. J. Weberman used to go through Dylan's trash in the 1960s to find out more about him. He invented the terms "garbology" and "Dylanology". He was called "the king of all Dylan nuts" by Rolling Stone magazine.

Weberman also wrote a book called "Coup D'Etat In America: The CIA and the Assassination of JFK" - in which he claims two of the three tramps arrested in Dallas shortly after the assassination that day (real names later determined to be Abrams, Gedney, and Doyle) were actually Watergate burglars E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis.

So it's come full circle with Dylan agreeing with the man he was seriously at odds with over his bizarre stalking behavior more than five decades ago.

Hank
 
Axxman300 said:
I think Bob was clearing out the garage one day and realized the only thing from the 1960s he didn't write a song about was the assassination...

...that or he was just so stone he's just finding out about it now...:D
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I heard his recent "Murder Most Foul" song recently on Sirius. The announcer raved before playing it about how great it was. It was anything but. It was a bunch of incoherent rambling with no real unifying theme, lyrically or musically. It was bad enough to make me suspect that Dylan is suffering from dementia.

I could have forgiven a well constructed song that supported conspiracy theories, if only because it is, after al,l Dylan. This song was a disaster both in its message and as a song.
 
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CORed said:
I heard his recent "Murder Most Foul" song recently on Sirius. The announcer raved before playing it about how great it was. It was anything but. It was a bunch of incoherent rambling with no real unifying theme, lyrically or musically. It was bad enough to make me suspect that Dylan is suffering from dementia.
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I frequently get that feeling online when debating the assassination with any conspiracy theorist. They ramble and change the subject, they can't follow a train of thought, they bring up non sequiturs, and their arguments make no sense. I come away shaking my head and wondering if I'm taking advantage of someone who is not fully functional mentallly.

Hank
 
HSienzant said:
I frequently get that feeling online when debating the assassination with any conspiracy theorist. They ramble and change the subject, they can't follow a train of thought, they bring up non sequiturs, and their arguments make no sense. I come away shaking my head and wondering if I'm taking advantage of someone who is not fully functional mentallly.

Hank
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If they are still 'following' this dead and long ago buried CT they are either very old, incompetent or so far 'out there' they may not be able to get back.

However I salute you for opposing them still.
 
Hans said:
If they are still 'following' this dead and long ago buried CT they are either very old, incompetent or so far 'out there' they may not be able to get back.

However I salute you for opposing them still.
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Some need to make a living selling fictional work involving CT. ;)
 
I've been listening to Posner's Case Closed as an audiobook lately, and I have to say he pretty much has the whole thing covered.

I'm somewhat tempted to dig up Bugliosi's Reclaiming History, but I'm wondering if there's anything new in that?
 
KDLarsen said:
I've been listening to Posner's Case Closed as an audiobook lately, and I have to say he pretty much has the whole thing covered.

I'm somewhat tempted to dig up Bugliosi's Reclaiming History, but I'm wondering if there's anything new in that?
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Plenty. It's the difference between reading the Cliff Notes version of the book and reading the book. (Posner's Case Closed is the Cliff Notes version).

Be prepared to be inundated. The book is huge and the CD-Rom footnotes would be an entire separate volume if printed.

Hank
 
HSienzant said:
Plenty. It's the difference between reading the Cliff Notes version of the book and reading the book. (Posner's Case Closed is the Cliff Notes version).

Be prepared to be inundated. The book is huge and the CD-Rom footnotes would be an entire separate volume if printed.

Hank
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Having read neither, are you saying that Bugliosi was a more complete description of what happened, why it happened and the follow up?
 
KDLarsen said:
I've been listening to Posner's Case Closed as an audiobook lately, and I have to say he pretty much has the whole thing covered.

I'm somewhat tempted to dig up Bugliosi's Reclaiming History, but I'm wondering if there's anything new in that?
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Yeah Case Closed was the last book I read on JFK and I took the title to heart.
 
bknight said:
Having read neither, are you saying that Bugliosi was a more complete description of what happened, why it happened and the follow up?
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It's not necessarily more complete but it is more detailed.

Bugliosi also eviscerates many of the commonly held conspiracy arguments in detail. He drives CTs up a wall because he calls them as he sees them, saying you have to be some kind of nut to believe some of the stuff CTs argue for.

Hank
 
HSienzant said:
It's not necessarily more complete but it is more detailed.

Bugliosi also eviscerates many of the commonly held conspiracy arguments in detail. He drives CTs up a wall because he calls them as he sees them, saying you have to be some kind of nut to believe some of the stuff CTs argue for.

Hank
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I would also strongly recommend reading the footnotes in the CD. They are also extremely informative about the JFK case and conspiracy nonsense. Sadly from what I have been told many people who have read the book do not read the footnotes! And some even throw out the CD with them!!!
 
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