Biden for President?

[johnny karate]

'This Never Happened,' Biden Says Of 1990s Sexual Assault Allegation
Biden even makes the request to allow her complaint be found, if it exists.

Also from that article:

While the details of these allegations of sexual harassment and sexual assault are complicated, two things are not complicated," Biden said in the statement. "One is that women deserve to be treated with dignity and respect, and when they step forward they should be heard, not silenced. The second is that their stories should be subject to appropriate inquiry and scrutiny. Responsible news organizations should examine and evaluate the full and growing record of inconsistencies in her story, which has changed repeatedly in both small and big ways.

I think that is about the best way any public figure could handle allegations of sexual assault that they claim are false.

 

[Ziggurat]

I also would like to know why the government wouldn't have the records.

However, personnel records are not often available under FOIA.

And with good reason, most public employees should still have some level of privacy.

However, not only should such records be maintained by the government and not some third party, but even personnel records such as these which are reasonably kept private from FOIA should be available to the person they are about.

 

[Mumbles]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/01/11/politics/immigrants-********-countries-trump/index.html

The meaning could not have been more clear. He judges people's worthiness to be admitted by the country they were born in rather than "the content of their character", to quote someone whose boots he is not fit to lick.

Yet again...

Donald Trump believes only white people can be truly American, thus the birtherism, the insistance that Judge Curiel is "Mexican", this example, and him leaving a racist crouw chanting that "send them back" of four en.nonwhite American women.

 

[Bogative]

Joe Biden's corpse does it again:

The pandemic is, that, the president has no intercourse whatsoever with the world

So much talk about sexual assault has Rapey Joe Biden all worked up.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Wow, I just saw Joe Biden on MSNBC’s Morning Joe and he was sorta getting grilled about the Reade accusations which sorta surprised me. His answers weren't terrible, at least on the portions I saw, but he didn't seem too quick on his toes.

He seems to have softened his position from the Kavanaugh days though. Back then he instructed us to presume that at least the essence of the accuser's claims are real. Nowadays, he says we should vet their claims.

 

[theprestige]

I never claimed that Biden couldn't have torn the pantyhose.

Actually, you did:

As in it would have been physically impossible for what she described to have happened if she was dressed the way women in her position would have normally dressed at the time.

Are you retracting that claim?

 

[theprestige]

" She said she was delivering Biden a gym bag somewhere in the Capitol area (which has multiple buildings) but doesn’t remember exactly where. She said Biden pinned her against a wall, reached under her skirt (she said she wasn’t wearing any stockings) and pushed his fingers inside her."

Why should we believe she was at work in on the hill wearing a skirt but no pantyhose ?

That's not how young professional staffers dressed back then.

One more red flag.

Already addressed. You're the third person to trot out this argument. Could you at least start from the current state of play, instead of trying to reset the discussion?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Already addressed. You're the third person to trot out this argument. Could you at least start from the current state of play, instead of trying to reset the discussion?

I didn't see it addressed. If you can link to the post(s) you believe address this, i'll take another look .

 

[johnny karate]

Wow, I just saw Joe Biden on MSNBC’s Morning Joe and he was sorta getting grilled about the Reade accusations which sorta surprised me. His answers weren't terrible, at least on the portions I saw, but he didn't seem too quick on his toes.

He seems to have softened his position from the Kavanaugh days though. Back then he instructed us to presume that at least the essence of the accuser's claims are real. Nowadays, he says we should vet their claims.

Could you please provide the quote from Biden in which he said what you’re claiming he said about the Kavanaugh allegations?

 

[johnny karate]

Joe Biden's corpse does it again:


So much talk about sexual assault has Rapey Joe Biden all worked up.

Haha... that’s hilarious.

Next time he says “intercourse”, you should wait until he turns his back to write something on the chalkboard and then shoot a spitball at him.

Or maybe make a loud fart noise every time he sits down.

Either way, please keep the comedy gold coming.

I need something to distract me from the tragic fallout of Trump’s epic incompetence.

 

[theprestige]

I didn't see it addressed. If you can link to the post(s) you believe address this, i'll take another look .

Bummer. Better luck next time.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Bummer. Better luck next time.

That's about what I expected.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Could you please provide the quote from Biden in which he said what you’re claiming he said about the Kavanaugh allegations?

What do you claim I'm claiming he said about the Kavanaugh allegations?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

What do you claim I'm claiming he said about the Kavanaugh allegations?

That's about what I expected here, too.

 

[johnny karate]

What do you claim I'm claiming he said about the Kavanaugh allegations?

Um, okay... I’ll guess I’ll quote your own post back to you?

Wow, I just saw Joe Biden on MSNBC’s Morning Joe and he was sorta getting grilled about the Reade accusations which sorta surprised me. His answers weren't terrible, at least on the portions I saw, but he didn't seem too quick on his toes.

He seems to have softened his position from the Kavanaugh days though. Back then he instructed us to presume that at least the essence of the accuser's claims are real. Nowadays, he says we should vet their claims.

It’s the second to last sentence in which you make a specific claim about what Biden said that requires substantiation.

Please let me know if you need help remembering anything else you’ve recently posted.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Um, okay... I’ll guess I’ll quote your own post back to you?



It’s the second to last sentence in which you make a specific claim about what Biden said that requires substantiation.

Please let me know if you need help remembering anything else you’ve recently posted.

There are two sentences at the end of what you quoted. I want to make sure you understand them since you've had such difficulties in the past. What exactly do you want be to produce a quote of Joe saying?

 

[theprestige]

That's about what I expected. : rolleyes :

It's been the main topic of discussion in this thread for the past two days. You posted right into the middle of it as if it wasn't there at all. If you can't find it, you need luck, not links. I'm sorry. I hope your next attempt to find the discussion is more fortunate.

 

[wareyin]

Let's skip the song and dance here.

Which article of clothing was it that is believed would have stopped this?

Theprestige seems to think that pantyhose over a pair of panties provides no barrier whatsoever to inserting a finger into a vagina. We know Reade claims that, contrary to professional dress at the time, she wasn't wearing any at work, so they weren't there to be an impediment. The conversation seems to be stuck on theprestige's confusion with women's dress.

A few points totally devoid of ethical consideration to ponder:

Right or wrong, bringing up what a woman was wearing in this kind of discussion is not workable for political reasons.

The entire response to this has been backwards. Invite her to be as expansive and detailed as possible on every media platform possible. If she's lying, she will mess up. It basically recreates the tactic of investigators of conducting multiple interviews with the same questions over and over.

It also means this will slow-drip for months, which leaves a more lasting impression than a big burst of salaciousness that falls apart after a few weeks. It threatens to keep it in the public consciousness until closer to the election date.

Reade has been expansive and detailed. She has told many contradictory versions of the story. To many of us, that is evidence that she has already messed up.

 

[wareyin]

Let's be clear: I'm not the one who is requiring the world conform to their limited experiences. I'm merely pointing out that this may not conform to your experience but that it would not be odd for others.

Nonsense. You are the one who is claiming that basically nobody is fired, despite the vast number of people who have been fired. Perhaps in whatever professional capacity you work in (lawyer iirc?), at whatever strata you work at, nobody is fired. I'm pretty sure that Reade, as an aide with less than a year of experience would not get the same treatment you seem to think is simply how things are done.

Yes, we disagree on who is more likely to be caught up in such issues. When I see a teacher who is hugging all over the preteen girls in his class I ask my kid to be moved to another class. Others think he is just affectionate. We differ. I'm not trying to change your mind on that. But understand that you will have trouble changing my impression, too.

I guess we will just have to disagree on whether touching someone's shoulders naturally leads to shoving a finger in their genitals, then.

 

[theprestige]

It's getting to the point where I'm starting to wonder how many people have ever actually had a passionate love affair. I'm not claiming I can unhook a bra one-handed, but I do at least know how clothes work.