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Do you know about Nissan dot com...?

Bob001 said:
From this link, it looks like Nissan Motors did not win.

The last entry says Nissan Motor is trying to get into the computer business, likely to start another avenue of legal challenge.

https://www.digest.com/Big_Story.php

The thing is the last entry is 12 years old. Why bring it up now?
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I'd never heard of it. I think it's an interesting story. I thought, perhaps, others might not have heard of it and that still other people might know about it and be kind enough to share their knowledge.
 
3point14 said:
I'd never heard of it. I think it's an interesting story. I thought, perhaps, others might not have heard of it and that still other people might know about it and be kind enough to share their knowledge.
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Your original link looks pretty thorough. I noted in particular that Nissan Motors made several attempts to buy the domain, and Mr. Nissan responded:
Uzi described the conversation to Jalopnik, fed up at being pestered. “Listen now, I told you I’m not selling it, so let me answer this way,” Uzi told Davis. “Fifteen million dollars. Do you understand right now that I don’t want to sell?”
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I suspect a smarter businessman might have chosen to make a profitable deal rather than spend eight years and $3 million fighting one of the world's largest corporations.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I doubt babies would taste best. Most animal meat humans consume is muscle. Babies have the least muscle of all. We should start with the gym bros.
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3point14 said:
Lamb is supposed to be better than mutton
Veal better than beef
Caviar better than Sturgeon.


Okay, maybe that last one doesn't work...


Oh, also, people taste like pigs.
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Red meat is usually cooked and served as a combination of meat and fat. Higher fat percentage is generally considered desirable (think marbled steak), so a ripped gym bro would probably taste gamey.

What I'm not sure of is how brown fat compares in taste to white fat. Babies have lots of the former, most adults have primarily white fat. If brown fat tastes as good as white fat, then babies are probably a delicacy. But there's not much volume in a baby. For sizeable portions, you're probably better off then with either the merely overweight (but not obese - the extra fat is just going to go to waste) or a chunky powerlifter type. Those guys don't tend to care so much about keeping body fat low, but they pack on the muscle.
 
Bob001 said:
Your original link looks pretty thorough. I noted in particular that Nissan Motors made several attempts to buy the domain, and Mr. Nissan responded:



I suspect a smarter businessman might have chosen to make a profitable deal rather than spend eight years and $3 million fighting one of the world's largest corporations.
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Thanks, that is counter to my recollection. I appreciate you correcting me. It has been some time since I read about this.

Still, you don't have to sell something you properly own just because someone else wants it. But man, maybe you look a bit silly for passing up such an opportunity.
 
Bob001 said:
Your original link looks pretty thorough. I noted in particular that Nissan Motors made several attempts to buy the domain, and Mr. Nissan responded:



I suspect a smarter businessman might have chosen to make a profitable deal rather than spend eight years and $3 million fighting one of the world's largest corporations.
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True, the smart thing to do is take the most dough you can out of the situation.

But if I come to you and say I want to buy your car, name your price, and you say "No, there is no price, go away", what I don't do next is sue you. All the PR in the world doesn't stop this being a 'you have it and we want it' situation.

Yes, maybe he wasn't the smartest businessman in the world. That doesn't, in any way, excuse the actions of one of the biggest car makers in the world - which were reprehensible.
 
3point14 said:
True, the smart thing to do is take the most dough you can out of the situation.

But if I come to you and say I want to buy your car, name your price, and you say "No, there is no price, go away", what I don't do next is sue you. All the PR in the world doesn't stop this being a 'you have it and we want it' situation.

Yes, maybe he wasn't the smartest businessman in the world. That doesn't, in any way, excuse the actions of one of the biggest car makers in the world - which were reprehensible.
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I wonder if it might be more complicated than that. Nissan argued in court that it had been selling cars under the Nissan name for decades at the time Uzi Nissan bought the domain, and that "Nissan" was trademarked. Nissan Motors even said it had no problem with Uzi using "Nissancomputers.com" or some other variant. So Nissan's position was not "We want what you've got," but rather "You took what's ours, and we're willing to buy it back." It's also the case that if the owner of a trademark fails to defend it, they can lose the rights to it. That's why if you open a neighborhood diner called "McDonalds," you will get a stern letter, even if your name is McDonald and you don't serve burgers. I'm not sure Nissan was such a monster.

I can recall vaguely that in the early days of the internet, there were a number of cases where celebrities and name brands had to fight to claim domains in their names, even if somebody else had bought them legitimately, and usually the owners settled or lost in court.
 
Bob001 said:
I wonder if it might be more complicated than that. Nissan argued in court that it had been selling cars under the Nissan name for decades at the time Uzi Nissan bought the domain, and that "Nissan" was trademarked. Nissan Motors even said it had no problem with Uzi using "Nissancomputers.com" or some other variant. So Nissan's position was not "We want what you've got," but rather "You took what's ours, and we're willing to buy it back." It's also the case that if the owner of a trademark fails to defend it, they can lose the rights to it. That's why if you open a neighborhood diner called "McDonalds," you will get a stern letter, even if your name is McDonald and you don't serve burgers. I'm not sure Nissan was such a monster.

I can recall vaguely that in the early days of the internet, there were a number of cases where celebrities and name brands had to fight to claim domains in their names, even if somebody else had bought them legitimately, and usually the owners settled or lost in court.
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I kind of think he overstates his case about Nissan "being known as Datsun". While it's true that the cars they sold in the US used to be branded as "Datsun", the manufacturer was "Nissan Motors", and mentioned that name in their advertising for as long as I remember. Since the guy's last name is, in fact Nissan, it's not a clear cut case of cybersquating. In fact, the fact that he has rejected settlement offers and fought the case for so long would seem to indicate that he values the use of his name highly, and that cybersquatting was not his intent. I think that if I were in his postion, I would have taken whatever money I could get out of it and moved on.
 
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As far as I remember, in the US, the cars were sold as Datsuns until 1981(ish) and then Nissan from there on.
 
CORed said:
I don't remember exactly when they dropped the Datsun name, but I know that I was aware that Datsuns were manufactured by Nissan well before that happened.
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The answer is actually in the OP article...

Jalopnik said:
When Uzi was starting out his first shops with his own name, the Nissan Motor Company was still importing vehicles to the U.S. as Datsuns. Nissan cars only started switching over to branding as Nissans in 1983 and Datsun was only fully ditched in 1985, with ‘Datsun by Nissan’ double-branding in the interim. (Today, that transition is remembered as a clunky one, and an expensive one; it’s said to have cost some $30 million at the time.)
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I can see it.

I wouldn't be surprised if the site is blocked in corporate friendly USA. Corporations are more people than people.
 
Ziggurat said:
...or a chunky powerlifter type. Those guys don't tend to care so much about keeping body fat low, but they pack on the muscle.
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Mmm, yum.

Oh, wait. You're talking about *actual* eating. Nevermind then. Carry on.
 
That website has been that way for decades. Surely anything he had to say was said long ago, so at this point he must be keeping it in the car company's way just to be in their way.

And for part of that time, it was the same with the name "Dodge". The obvious URL belonged to somebody whom very few people had ever heard of, and to check out Dodge vehicles you would need to go to "4adodge.com". The vehicle manufacturer now owns the simpler URL.

The irony in this guy's rage-site that serves him no purpose but to try to spite Nissan the car company is that even if they had it, they probably wouldn't really use it anyway, which gives them nearly no reason to really want it. Japanese companies typically don't. Nissan the car company seems to be chugging along just fine with alternatives like, in my country, "nissanusa.com", which is the kind of thing most Japanese companies normally do anyway, another example being "automobiles.honda.com" (for their enclosed four-wheeled vehicles), "powersports.honda.com" (for their motorcycles & ATVs), plus several more separate Honda websites for different divisions of the Honda company you've probably never heard of.

Japanese companies tend to have tentacles in multiple otherwise unrelated industries, so the obvious short & simple URL is not the way to find products a customer would be shopping for. That just goes to a useless corporate blather page nobody cares about but the CEO & board & major direct investors, while the car division gets some other URL, the music instrument division gets its own other URL, the medical equipment division gets its own other URL, the power tools division gets its own other URL, the mining division gets its own other URL, the division that makes plastic trash cans & shelves & such gets its own other URL, the lighting division gets its own other URL, the hats division gets its own other URL, the hangglider & parachute division gets its own other URL, the talking robot puppy division gets its own other URL... no matter which one is the only one you've ever heard of and are actually looking for, it's never just the name you know it by, turned into a URL. You always need to find whatever else to attach to it to get to the right division, and the corporate megameta office site will even usually go out of its way to hide that information. This is so entrenched as the Japanese way to organize a business's online presence that even a single-industry company would see it as perfectly normal to attach something extra like that as if there were other divisions out there anyway, just because that's how it's always been done in their world and they'd expect their audience to be looking for something derivative along those lines anyway.

So even if the giant Nissan corporation had the URL, that wouldn't be where car shoppers would go to shop for Nissan cars. They'd go to something derived from it... like... nissanusa.com... which they'd find by asking a search engine where the car website is right after finding out that nissan.com wasn't it... just like... how it already is in the real world right now.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I doubt babies would taste best. Most animal meat humans consume is muscle. Babies have the least muscle of all. We should start with the gym bros.
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Start with the vegetarians since they'll starve anyway. Always give your vegetarian colleagues thoughtful gifts like bbq shower gel and pre seasoned talc. But obviously this option should only be used in the most dire situations like the complete and irrevocable breakdown of human civilisation.

Or the sandwich van not turning up.
 
I'd have thought that actual urls are far less important in these days when people usually go to websites by a) googling "Nissan" and then clicking on the relevant link, b) following a link that someone else has already provided on another site ("click the link in the description below"), or c) scanning a QR code with their phone.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I'd have thought that actual urls are far less important in these days when people usually go to websites by a) googling "Nissan" and then clicking on the relevant link, b) following a link that someone else has already provided on another site ("click the link in the description below"), or c) scanning a QR code with their phone.
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Yeah, I very seldom type a URL in, I usually just Google it to see if it turns up something like "warning: don't go to panda_arsonists_and_naughty_nuns_fighting_sexy_ninjas.ru because it's a scam to steal your copyright on your fanfiction!"

eta: and more practically, if you're car shopping Googling will more likely get you to the sites for your locality or continent than going to the main one, anyway. I may want a Japanese car but I don't want to ship it from Japan myself!
 
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Also, if you're going car shopping the chances are that you don't want the official site anyway, you want some comparison site.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Also, if you're going car shopping the chances are that you don't want the official site anyway, you want some comparison site.
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