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This scandal makes something that was already strange even stranger: why has he been dawdling for so long on announcing a running mate selection? If he had one, that would eliminate the question of what the party does if he quits or becomes incapacitated/dead, and his campaign would finally have somebody connected to it who might finally be able to draw some positive attention instead of leaving the campaign in an endless state of trying to hide because the only attention it's ever been able to draw was already negative even before Reade.

Is that what he's avoiding because he's afraid it would get him sidelined and cares more about that than about what becomes of the party that seems to wish they weren't stuck with him?
 
Delvo said:
This scandal makes something that was already strange even stranger: why has he been dawdling for so long on announcing a running mate selection? If he had one, that would eliminate the question of what the party does if he quits or becomes incapacitated/dead, and his campaign would finally have somebody connected to it who might finally be able to draw some positive attention instead of leaving the campaign in an endless state of trying to hide because the only attention it's ever been able to draw was already negative even before Reade.

Is that what he's avoiding because he's afraid it would get him sidelined and cares more about that than about what becomes of the party that seems to wish they weren't stuck with him?
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The Reade allegations are super awkward for him, I think. He said he'd pick a woman VP, but now any woman he picks is going to have to say something about his #metoo moment.

So his options are gonna be women who want no part of it. Who want to avoid like the plague the choice between supporting Biden against Reade, or supporting Reade against Biden. Or his other option is gonna be women who are too crazy to know better.

You want a woman like Warren, but a woman like Warren doesn't want any piece of this controversy. The women who do want a piece of this controversy aren't the kind of people you really want to be a part of your administration.

His best bet really is Jill Biden.
 
I can see you're still groping for purchase, but I think this touchy scandal has slipped through your fingers.
 
Delvo said:
This scandal makes something that was already strange even stranger: why has he been dawdling for so long on announcing a running mate selection?
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It's April.

I can't ever remember a running mate announcement until just before the convention. I'm old enough to remember when it was considered very poor form to announce a running mate until after the vote had been completed making it official that the candidate was in fact the nominee. Ronald Reagan showed up the night before the role call vote to announce that George H. W. Bush would be his pick for Vice President. He did that because all night there were rumors that Gerald Ford would accept a VP nomination. When that deal fell through, it was decided to defy convention (no pun intended) and announce that Bush would be the selection.

One thing I only learned recently was that as recently as 1944, the nominee's running mate actually lost the vote, and didn't even become the running mate. Vice President Henry Wallace, Franklin Rooseveldt's first choice, lost the vote to Harry S. Truman. Note that he didn't step aside. He lost the vote.

Anyway, enough history trivia. It would be unprecedented to select a running mate at this point in the process. If he thought it were good politics, he could do it, and unlike in 1944, the convention pretty much rubber stamps the selection of the presidential candidate for VP without any controversy, but it is in no way unusual for Biden to "dawdle" on a candidate selection.
 
Dems on Twitter melting over MSNBC’s Chris Hayes discussing Tara Reade story. Foaming calls for him to be fired remind me of Trump supporter reactions to Shepherd Smith not toeing the party line on Fox.
 
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I don't know anything about this website, but it contains a very lengthy attempt to tarnish Ms. Reade's credibility (that would, of course, presume that the website is credible). Some of the highlights include her on several occasions praising Biden for working to end sexual assault, allegations that she attempted to steal money when helping with a charity auction, and several years spent as a big fan of Russia and Putin and critic of the US.

I report, you decide.

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenste...assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

I also found a tweet confirming the charge of stealing money from the charity. This tweet received a reply claiming that she had skipped out on rent and other bills, but the claimed amount was so large that I doubt its credibility. There was another, more interesting reply: the tweeter mentioned that though it has become fashionable in recent years for women to not wear hose, it would have been outside the fashion norms for a woman to not wear hose in the early 1990's, especially in a setting where people are expected to dress very well.

https://twitter.com/mare_rescue/status/1251663325395468288?lang=en
 
theprestige said:
The Reade allegations are super awkward for him, I think. He said he'd pick a woman VP, but now any woman he picks is going to have to say something about his #metoo moment.

So his options are gonna be women who want no part of it. Who want to avoid like the plague the choice between supporting Biden against Reade, or supporting Reade against Biden. Or his other option is gonna be women who are too crazy to know better.

You want a woman like Warren, but a woman like Warren doesn't want any piece of this controversy. The women who do want a piece of this controversy aren't the kind of people you really want to be a part of your administration.

His best bet really is Jill Biden.
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This makes a lot of sense. I originally thought it'd be great for him to announce his female VP soon because it would be nice to have a woman running interference. She could at least answer some of the questions that will eventually be coming as Joe starts to venture out into his Presidential run.

But what woman is going to want to tether herself to that? He may have to stick with Jill.

#Bidens2020
 
Sideroxylon said:
Dems on Twitter melting over MSNBC’s Chris Hayes discussing Tara Reade story. Foaming calls for him to be fired remind me of Trump supporter reactions to Shepherd Smith not toeing the party line on Fox.
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The Biden allegations are really exposing a lot of these Democrats as fair-weather metoo friends. Happy to jump on the bandwagon when it's some conservative freak getting the treatment, but totally unwilling to clean their own house.

The sincere MeToo people must be really feeling some intense whiplash. The knives are coming out.
 
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The Biden allegations are really exposing a lot of these Democrats as fair-weather metoo friends. Happy to jump on the bandwagon when it's some conservative freak getting the treatment, but totally unwilling to clean their own house.

The sincere MeToo people must be really feeling some intense whiplash. The knives are coming out.
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There's quite a lot at stake. If Biden did these things, he's not worthy of a Democratic nomination. If he didn't do these things, we're dealing with a serious attempt to influence the election. Given the fact that there is little chance of replacing Biden as a nominee, giving him up means giving the election up, which means four more years of Trump.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
I don't know anything about this website, but it contains a very lengthy attempt to tarnish Ms. Reade's credibility (that would, of course, presume that the website is credible). Some of the highlights include her on several occasions praising Biden for working to end sexual assault, allegations that she attempted to steal money when helping with a charity auction, and several years spent as a big fan of Russia and Putin and critic of the US.

I report, you decide.

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenste...assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460

I also found a tweet confirming the charge of stealing money from the charity. This tweet received a reply claiming that she had skipped out on rent and other bills, but the claimed amount was so large that I doubt its credibility. There was another, more interesting reply: the tweeter mentioned that though it has become fashionable in recent years for women to not wear hose, it would have been outside the fashion norms for a woman to not wear hose in the early 1990's, especially in a setting where people are expected to dress very well.

https://twitter.com/mare_rescue/status/1251663325395468288?lang=en
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The dreams of MeToo realized. Having your serious sexual assault allegation swept under the rug because the Krassenstein brothers (notorious grifters) say you're an unreliable weirdo based on anonymous complaints and cherry picked tweets.

Tara Reade, based on her past comments on Russia and other subjects, seems to be a strange duck, you'll get no argument from me on that. That doesn't mean she can't be the victim of a sexual assault. I'm sorry she isn't as clean cut and professional as Dr. Ford, but she is a human being with value all the same. We still have to treat her with the default amount of dignity until there is evidence she's lying.

Maybe she's a liar. Maybe she's a serial liar. Journalists should look into this. Chase down these anonymous people smearing her and get them on the record. They probably should have done this months ago when Biden wasn't the presumptive nominee, but that ship has sailed.

Smearing her as a lying weirdo based on half-rumor and not bothering to investigate the story is abhorrent.
 
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It's possible the allegations have had their intended effect already. Having this hanging over Biden makes it less likely that he'll beat Trump this fall, which given the timing of the allegations was, I presume, the idea.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
The dreams of MeToo realized. Having your serious sexual assault allegation swept under the rug because the Krassenstein brothers (notorious grifters) say you're an unreliable weirdo based on anonymous complaints and cherry picked tweets.

Tara Reade, based on her past comments on Russia and other subjects, seems to be a strange duck, you'll get no argument from me on that. That doesn't mean she can't be the victim of a sexual assault. I'm sorry she isn't as clean cut and professional as Dr. Ford, but she is a human being with value all the same. We still have to treat her with the default amount of dignity until there is evidence she's lying.

Maybe she's a liar. Maybe she's a serial liar. Journalists should look into this. Chase down these anonymous people smearing her and get them on the record. They probably should have done this months ago when Biden wasn't the presumptive nominee, but that ship has sailed.

Smearing her as a lying weirdo based on half-rumor and not bothering to investigate the story is abhorrent.
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Since we have evidence that her story has changed drastically, don't we already have evidence that she's a liar? Interviews with her coworkers show that she seems to have made things up about what her job at the time entailed, and now we have claims that she stole money from a charity that she works for, so this is more evidence that she's not trustworthy.

Reade waited until Biden was the presumptive nominee before making these allegations, so we can't complain that journalists didn't look into them soon enough. I don't quite get why you think that those investigating Reade should be "chased down" despite your complaints that Reade's allegations weren't looked into before they were made, either.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The dreams of MeToo realized. Having your serious sexual assault allegation swept under the rug because the Krassenstein brothers (notorious grifters) say you're an unreliable weirdo based on anonymous complaints and cherry picked tweets.
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Which items in Krassenstein brothers article do you think are not true? Are you claiming that they forged the tweets in which she praised Biden? Are you claiming that she hasn't both said that she drove to DC to take the job and that she flew to DC to take the job?

I'm sorry she isn't as clean cut and professional as Dr. Ford, but she is a human being with value all the same.
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The point about dressing professionally is that what she described could not have happened if she was dressed according to the professional standards of the time.

Smearing her as a lying weirdo based on half-rumor and not bothering to investigate the story is abhorrent.
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Which claims do you think are "half-rumor"? And in what sense is no one "bothering to investigate the story"?
 
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I long for the days when the media was pretty tightly controlled, and if someone came in with a salacious but unprovable story, the editors would look at it and say, "We don't have enough to run with this." and it would never be heard of in the general public again. Whether it's Tara Reade or Christine Blasey Ford, we simply would never have heard of them, because the editors would kill the story if they didn't have the backup.

Nowadays, the existence of the allegation is the story itself, so there's no need for backup. There is an allegation. That's the story.
 
I'm sorry I was under the impression the USA had decided that even being caught on tape admitting to being a sexual predator didn't disqualify someone from being President, unless of course certain people are operating a massive double standard here.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Which items in Krassenstein brothers article do you think are not true? Are you claiming that they forged the tweets in which she praised Biden? Are you claiming that she hasn't both said that she drove to DC to take the job and that she flew to DC to take the job?
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You think it is meaningful that she may have lied or simply confused the details about how she traveled to DC two decades ago?

One time I lied in an English paper in 9th grade. Therefore, I cannot be trusted about matters of extreme importance.

wareyin said:
Since we have evidence that her story has changed drastically, don't we already have evidence that she's a liar? Interviews with her coworkers show that she seems to have made things up about what her job at the time entailed, and now we have claims that she stole money from a charity that she works for, so this is more evidence that she's not trustworthy.
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Claims that she stole money from an anonymous twitter account. Are you kidding with this?

Let anyone that wants to call her liar from personal experience go on the record. Anonymous twitter jabs can be discarded without consideration.

Edit: Didn't notice the link before. This lady accusing Tara Reade of ripping off her charity has gone on the record. She should probably talk to someone who isn't a Krassenstein, because they are both shameless hacks that shouldn't be trusted. A real journalist ought to interview her as a character reference to Reade.

A real journalist probably would not characterize a dispute about a vet bill as stealing from a charity.

I don't really see why her hiding her car from the repo man as some grave sin. Sounds like she was broke and didn't want her car to get yanked. Sucks to be poor, but not exactly a character flaw. Ginning this up as some great evil reminds you that this article is written by a Krassenstein.
 
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Meadmaker said:
I long for the days when the media was pretty tightly controlled, and if someone came in with a salacious but unprovable story, the editors would look at it and say, "We don't have enough to run with this." and it would never be heard of in the general public again. Whether it's Tara Reade or Christine Blasey Ford, we simply would never have heard of them, because the editors would kill the story if they didn't have the backup.

Nowadays, the existence of the allegation is the story itself, so there's no need for backup. There is an allegation. That's the story.
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*Catholic Church likes this.*
 
Garrison said:
I'm sorry I was under the impression the USA had decided that even being caught on tape admitting to being a sexual predator didn't disqualify someone from being President, unless of course certain people are operating a massive double standard here.
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This reminds me rather a lot of the scene in presumed innocent where Harrison Fords character confesses to the murder.
 
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