Biden for President?

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Shalamar said:
I find it heart-warming that conservatives won't be supporting 'rapey' candidates.

That leaves out Biden, and Trump. So who will they vote for?
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This is the kind of thing I have in mind, when I say that hypocrisy doesn't matter as much as people seem to think.

It's also the kind of thing I have in mind, when people say that hypocrisy totally matters to Democrats.
 
shuttlt said:
People like you are so destructive to the Democrat cause. I appreciate you are probably trolling, but there are a lot of you about.
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Hmmmm ...your posting history suggests that you don't really have the Democrats best interests at heart.
 
theprestige said:
This is the kind of thing I have in mind, when I say that hypocrisy doesn't matter as much as people seem to think.
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Matter as much to republicans? You might be right.

But I am not one of those people. I know they don't give it a second thought.

It's also the kind of thing I have in mind, when people say that hypocrisy totally matters to Democrats.
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Indeed, it's their Achilles heel. Don't they realize the only thing that matters is winning at all cost? They decry the other side for being hypocrites, then get all embarrassed when they find it in their own party. Idiots! Deflect, Deny, Denigrate! How do they expect to win the battle when they refuse to use the same weapons as the enemy?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Are we supposed to be impressed? Creepy Joe is not the same as vaginal finger penetrator Joe.

This does explain how Ms Meade might have a false memory about a Creepy Joe encounter, exaggerating it in her mind.
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I guess an experience like that alleged by Tara Reade isn't indelible in the hippocampus.
 
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wasapi said:
OH NO!!! Just look at applecrapped's undeniable evidence!!! I shall withdraw my vote after seeing these photos!!!

Not. The photos are interesting to me because I have several photos of myself, from childhood on. In them, there are pictures of older men showing me attention. They were usually friends of my parents or distant, older relatives.

One photo is of me with Jimmy Durant, a friend of my dad. He's waiting for me to give him a kiss on the cheek. Another of a man at a big family get together, who stood behind my back while I was sitting, and was playing with my long hair.

I did not feel uncomfortable, there was never a time. Though I may look uncomfortable in many photos, the cause was how extremely shy and introverted my nature was.


Just a few examples of . Only in minds like yours, is there anything sexual or inappropriately intimate about the photos you 'shared'.
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Would it still be okay if you were a co-worker or subordinate? I don't have an opinion about Tara Reade, other than her hippocampus probably being delible, but I suspect there will be other stories of him getting too close to or smelling co-workers/subordinates (will probably be both men and women, which is why I don't think he really has any nefarious intentions). If I did the stuff in those pictures at work, I would rightfully be warned then fired if I kept doing it. He's clearly very affectionate and has a very uninhibited attitude toward personal boundaries and space which is probably both cultural and from an older time.
 
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Many posters seem to be ignoring the most obvious reason for changing stories and lack of earlier effort to expose the allegation: varying degrees of loyalty to the Democratic Party over time. She may have had more or less loyalty at different times, which certainly doesn't help her credibility, but is a plausible motive to modify, minimize, or lie after the initial shock and disclosure to people close to her.
 
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Scopedog said:
Would it still be okay if you were a co-worker or subordinate? I don't have an opinion about Tara Reade, other than her hippocampus probably being delible, but I suspect there will be other stories of him getting too close to or smelling co-workers/subordinates (will probably be both men and women, which is why I don't think he really has any nefarious intentions). If I did the stuff in those pictures at work, I would rightfully be warned then fired if I kept doing it. He's clearly very affectionate and has a very uninhibited attitude toward personal boundaries and space which is probably both cultural and from an older time.
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Maybe men with mindsets that went in the trash last century aren’t good leader choices?
 
Scopedog said:
I guess an experience like that alleged by Tara Reade isn't indelible in the hippocampus.
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Like no one has fantasy memories that become real to them? Ahem... Trump.

I have an older half sister that has some very strange memories that are real to her, I think. But they are absolutely not real and I have two brothers who know her memories are false along with me.

Scholarpedia: False memory
False memory refers to cases in which people remember events differently from the way they happened or, in the most dramatic case, remember events that never happened at all. False memories can be very vivid and held with high confidence, and it can be difficult to convince someone that the memory in question is wrong. Psychologists have studied false memories in laboratory situations in which events are well controlled and it can be known exactly what transpired. Such experiments have uncovered a number of factors that are responsible for creating false memories. In the next few paragraphs some of these factors will be reviewed.
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Why does her memory have to be real?

There is evidence for, and evidence against. This woman's description of the events is only one piece of evidence.

Biden has a Creepy Joe history. We've all seen it. I hope we don't see it again.

He has no history whatsoever of fingering vaginas. He's been in politics too long this behavior pattern would go unnoticed.

I believe he kissed her head, rubbed her shoulders from behind. It would creep me out. And I imagine circumstances that prevented women from saying, "don't do that," especially back in the early 90s.

[side note: why would Bush have given Merkel a shoulder massage. How bizarre. Were other politicians doing such shoulder massaging as a common practice? It would be nice to find out. /side note]

Back to Biden. So no the hippocampus is not infallible.
 
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shuttlt said:
No he didn't. You are lying again. He suggested his people look into it. It is the media and Democrats who are going around telling people that Trump has told them to inject it/drink it.
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I honestly didn’t think I’d see a conservative take the defense of this past semantic quibbling. (Most, of course, have been smart enough to not even try to defend it.)

But the feigned indignation and bonkers attempt at deflection is truly next level.

Obviously, what you’re doing is despicable, but I can’t help but respect your game. Well done.

Fortunately nobody seems to have been fooled into doing it.
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Oops.

But hey, what’s a few more sick people, right? Conservatives already don’t care about the hundreds of thousands we’ve had so far during this pandemic.
 
It was all a misunderstanding. Joe just really loves this shampoo......

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shuttlt said:
No he didn't. You are lying again. He suggested his people look into it. It is the media and Democrats who are going around telling people that Trump has told them to inject it/drink it. Fortunately nobody seems to have been fooled into doing it.
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Nope, I'm not lying. You can click on the provided link, that really is a Patton Oswald tweet. It also validly describes your claims here.

shuttlt said:
People like you are so destructive to the Democrat cause. I appreciate you are probably trolling, but there are a lot of you about.
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I'm sorry, but attempting to correct your false claims has nothing to do with the Democrat cause. I know you already said you didn't want to rehash your claims (probably because someone else already completely trashed them before), but if you're going to keep bringing them up they're going to get called out again.
 
Dr. Keith said:
No, quite the opposite. Kavenaugh only had to keep his **** together for a few days. Biden will be open to questioning over this matter for months and he will have to repeat his response with clarity and compassion in every interview between now and November. This isn't about the party anymore, this is about the presidency.
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I'm not so sure about that. So far, it seems, Biden seems content to just pretend the allegation doesn't exist.

Seems that everyone except Biden has offered some comment on the matter.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I'm not so sure about that. So far, it seems, Biden seems content to just pretend the allegation doesn't exist.

Seems that everyone except Biden has offered some comment on the matter.
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How long do you think that will last?

Do you think he will make it to the first debate without having said anything about it? I know he won't make it out of the first debate without dealing with it.

ETA: Actually that could be a great debate question:

Gentlemen, you have both been credibly accused of sexual assault or worse. Please comment on the accusations leveled against you without mentioning the accusations about your opponent. Any mention of your opponent or the allegations against them will forfeit your remaining time.

Now, which accusations against your opponent did he not address?
 
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Dr. Keith said:
How long do you think that will last?

Do you think he will make it to the first debate without having said anything about it? I know he won't make it out of the first debate without dealing with it.
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Sure, eventually Biden will have to come out of hiding.

Biden's campaign strategy, even before the Reade allegation, has seemed to have been to keep him out of the public eye as much as possible.

I could see them just ignoring this problem until confronted with it in the first debate, which would be a disaster.

Concerning your edit, I think it would benefit Trump to talk about it. Trump's lecherous and rapey ways are already priced in. His voters already decided they don't care in 2016. It's old news for Trump, but not so for Biden.

It's going to be a full court press on Biden with the fail-son nepotism and the sexual assault allegation. Trump benefits a lot to smear the Democratic candidate as a hypocritical, corrupt monster.

Democratic voters take these things more seriously and will be much more demoralized by this. This kind of thing really takes the winds out of the "return to decency" sails.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
I'm not so sure about that. So far, it seems, Biden seems content to just pretend the allegation doesn't exist.

Seems that everyone except Biden has offered some comment on the matter.
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His campaign has published talking points, including the claim that the NYT investigated thoroughly and found that the incident never happened.
 
theprestige said:
His campaign has published talking points, including the claim that the NYT investigated thoroughly and found that the incident never happened.
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I have yet to read the NYT article, but can easily be located, and next I am planning to check it out. Thanks for reminding me. With so many things going on - in the world, in politics, with social distancing, and new adjustments, personal issues - my memory is challenged!

A list would probably help. Though I would probably lose it in under 10 minutes.
 
wasapi said:
I have yet to read the NYT article, but can easily be located, and next I am planning to check it out. Thanks for reminding me. With so many things going on - in the world, in politics, with social distancing, and new adjustments, personal issues - my memory is challenged!

A list would probably help. Though I would probably lose it in under 10 minutes.
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I don't think there is an NYT article debunking Tara Reade's claim. Have you at least read the Biden campaign's talking points?

And apparently there is a response from the NYT that, no, they did not actually do the kind of investigation the Biden campaign is alleging.

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Also, is it just me, or is the NYT a really weird authority to appeal to, for this kind of thing?

Or is it strategic? The campaign has run the polling numbers, and discovered that there's a substantial overlap between Biden voters who will stay home because of Reade's allegations, and Biden voters who implicitly trust the NYT even by third-party reference?
 
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