Here's a pretty interesting interview. I thought for a second to put it in the thread in the "science" subforum but knew it would end up in AAH or at least cause a whining orgy by the tru believers. Then I took a quiclk look at the man's wikipedia page and found - unsurprised - that it would have been much worse as the usual discrediting work has been done quite sufficiently, which would have caused the repeaters to FUME, I tell you.
Anyway, so i'll drop it here - Shiva Ayyadurai interviewed by the lovely and full bright Jasmin Kosubek, who happens to be the face of the German "Russia Today" (which is a website and a youtube channel, not a TV program). She's from half Brazilian and half "bio-German" descent and speaks no Russian as far as I know, but quite excellent English:
Again, yes take precautions, but it's my opinion that we have taken it or are on the verge of taking it too far. It's that simple. Don't like it? That's fine. Think what you want. I could be wrong, but so could you.
That CDC site also shows the average death rate to be around 35,000. That 61,000 was over 5-month span. COVID-19, as of today, has killed 52,296 Americans in 7 WEEKS. By Monday it will have killed more Americans than were killed in 11 years of the Vietnam War. By May 5, it will have killed more Americans than have died in all of our wars since 1964.
So yeah, it's much worse than the flu.
The flu doesn't have the infection rate of COVID-19. The biggest problem is that it's new to the human population, and that means medical science is learning on the fly about the virus's effects on the human body. We had data from COVID-2, but this one has more teeth.
Either way, without the shut-down the virus kills between 250,000 and 350,000 (or more) during the current time frame. That would have equally damaged the economy as people began to panic.
I pretty much agree with this guy. He is basically saying what I have been. There is something between shutting down and not doing a thing. Time to move to phase 2. He also says the mortality rate is actually closer to .5% in NY and 90 something percent have mild symptoms. This has been blown way out of proportion.
How is that not what is going on right now though? You can go to NAPA and buy spark plugs if you want or buy some flowers at home depot or call a plumber to install your new dishwasher.
Sure, you can't go to the bar or attend a ballgame, but the entire notion of essential businesses and workers is a broad enough brush to ensure that large portions of society are indeed functioning rather normally. To me that says that we're clearly in that middle ground.
How is that not what is going on right now though? You can go to NAPA and buy spark plugs if you want or buy some flowers at home depot or call a plumber to install your new dishwasher.
Sure, you can't go to the bar or attend a ballgame, but the entire notion of essential businesses and workers is a broad enough brush to ensure that large portions of society are indeed functioning rather normally. To me that says that we're clearly in that middle ground.
I just think we have shut down too many things and people are unnecessarily being put in a state of panic. Schools are closed, stores and restaurants close much earlier, people scared to visit family, millions have lost their jobs, etc. People are being fined for violating stay at home orders. Now I'm sure that hasn't happened all that much, but it's still ridiculous. If someone disagrees, then fine.
I just think we have shut down too many things and people are unnecessarily being put in a state of panic. Schools are closed, stores and restaurants close much earlier, people scared to visit family, millions have lost their jobs, etc. People are being fined for violating stay at home orders. Now I'm sure that hasn't happened all that much, but it's still ridiculous.
So what would you have done, assuming you had the power? Just how far do you feel we have crossed the line of 'too much'? Precisely where would you have stopped and why? It's one thing to complain about something and quite another to offer an alternative and an explanation. You have not done this.
Yes, that is a minor thing. Never said it was one of the more major things. If you want to argue, then ague with someone else or yourself. I know it's horrible someone has a different opinion than you.
So what would you have done, assuming you had the power? Just how far do you feel we have crossed the line of 'too much'? Precisely where would you have stopped and why? It's one thing to complain about something and quite another to offer an alternative and an explanation. You have not done this.
I don't know and never claimed to know exactly. Just offered my opinion. Some of you are turning what I said into a much bigger deal than necessary. How dare me state my opinion in a nice, non-confrontational way. It's not the first time I've been treated like **** on this site. I'll go back to my hole now.
Sorry, a link from FeceBook is all I have for this. Might require a FB account.
In case it gets removed as "unsafe for the FB community", its a guy with CDC documents.
This is how they are cooking the books.
Two weeks ago I saw a video of a female doctor in Idaho or Montana. She reported how the CDC has instructed doctors to PRESUME the cause of death is covid19.
She said "In my 30 years of writing death certificates, the instructions have been NEVER presume cause of death." Now they tell us to presume the cause of death is covid 19."
This clip shows the documents she referred to, and more.
They are inflating the numbers. Your TV news is hiding this.
Here's a pretty interesting interview. I thought for a second to put it in the thread in the "science" subforum but knew it would end up in AAH or at least cause a whining orgy by the tru believers. Then I took a quiclk look at the man's wikipedia page and found - unsurprised - that it would have been much worse as the usual discrediting work has been done quite sufficiently, which would have caused the repeaters to FUME, I tell you.
Anyway, so i'll drop it here - Shiva Ayyadurai interviewed by the lovely and full bright Jasmin Kosubek, who happens to be the face of the German "Russia Today" (which is a website and a youtube channel, not a TV program). She's from half Brazilian and half "bio-German" descent and speaks no Russian as far as I know, but quite excellent English:
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