Biden for President?

[LSSBB]

That is exactly the question.


I'm saying twenty years from now, the ongoing effects will be far lest drastic than uke2se's apocalyptic fantasies predict. And that when that time comes, uke2se will still be insisting the apocalypse happened.

Tell me, did you figure that out using a crystal ball, tarot, or a Ouija board?

How long did the impacts of Vietnam last? At a much lower pace of deaths? And without anyone back home dying, just folks overseas?

 

[thaiboxerken]

That is exactly the question.


I'm saying twenty years from now, the ongoing effects will be far lest drastic than uke2se's apocalyptic fantasies predict. And that when that time comes, uke2se will still be insisting the apocalypse happened.

Then your question wasn't asked in sincerity. Why ask it if at all if you dismiss the answers? Was it a monetary cost what you're looking for?

 

[Mader Levap]

Twenty years from now, the world will be trundling along much the same as it would have without the Trump presidency. And you'll still be insisting that 2016 was the year the world ended.

Twenty years from now, people will say "that didn't aged well".

Is the end of the world the bar?If anyone or anything falls short of the ending of the world, then any worry about it during or before it a happened is unwarranted?

He simply thinks he and his family is likely to survive whatever happens unscathed, being rich white republican and sharing ideology of any future right-wing authoritarian government of USA, if it ever happens. For these reasons he is unfortunately pretty likely right.

What high price are we paying for what Trump does every day?

Pretending you do not know what he is talking about is cute. Just most obvious and ongoing at this very moment example: every coronavirus death.
In advance: no, I am not implying different president would have no deaths. I am implying that different president, say Hillary, would have significantly less cases&deaths at same point in time, despite obstructionist efforts of republicans.

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[theprestige]

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I've always wondered what would happen if you two faced each other in a street fight.

 

[theprestige]

Twenty years from now, people will say "that didn't aged well".


He simply thinks he and his family is likely to survive whatever happens unscathed, being rich white republican and sharing ideology of any future right-wing authoritarian government of USA, if it ever happens. For these reasons he is unfortunately pretty likely right.



Pretending you do not know what he is talking about is cute. Just most obvious and ongoing at this very moment example: every coronavirus death.
In advance: no, I am not implying different president would have no deaths. I am implying that different president, say Hillary, would have significantly less cases&deaths at same point in time, despite obstructionist efforts of republicans.

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And if Mitt Romney had been president instead of Obama, Russia would never have tried to annex the Ukraine, Syria wouldn't have collapsed into Civil War, Ambassador Stevens would still be alive, and China would have controlled their novel coronavirus before it exploded into a global pandemic.

Tell me more about how good we have it in the timeline where Josiah Bartlett was president instead of George W. Bush.

 

[thaiboxerken]

And if Mitt Romney had been president instead of Obama, Russia would never have tried to annex the Ukraine, Syria wouldn't have collapsed into Civil War, Ambassador Stevens would still be alive, and China would have controlled their novel coronavirus before it exploded into a global pandemic.

Tell me more about how good we have it in the timeline where Josiah Bartlett was president instead of George W. Bush.

So what you're saying is that the world wouldn't be a better place if the holocaust never happened.....

 

[Bob001]

What high price are we paying for what Trump does every day?
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If you don't know, I'm not the guy who can explain it to you.

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Are you saying it's not a cost? No ongoing effects? Even when it looks we will outpace the Vietnam War, for it's full run, in just a few months?

[trumpkin deflection mode] "Vietnam? What's the significance of Vietnam? Every American president presides over wars. Obama got people killed in Afghanistan. Would Biden or Clinton have done a better job in Vietnam?"[/trumpkin deflection mode]

 

[theprestige]

If you don't know, I'm not the guy who can explain it to you.

Let me guess: You have an invisible dragon in your garage, and if I can't see it, that's on me, right?

 

[Bob001]

Let me guess: You have an invisible dragon in your garage, and if I can't see it, that's on me, right?

No, the dragon is in plain view, and you're wearing a blindfold.

 

[Bogative]

In August of 1993 the mother of Joe Biden’s accuser, Tara Reade, called the Larry King show saying her daughter had problems at a prominent senator's office but did not want to go to the press


When you're a prominent US Senator, they let you digitally penetrate 'em in the pussy.

 

[johnny karate]

In August of 1993 the mother of Joe Biden’s accuser, Tara Reade, called the Larry King show saying her daughter had problems at a prominent senator's office but did not want to go to the press


When you're a prominent US Senator, they let you digitally penetrate 'em in the pussy.

Only 22 more accusations and he’ll qualify for your vote.

 

[Puppycow]

In August of 1993 the mother of Joe Biden’s accuser, Tara Reade, called the Larry King show saying her daughter had problems at a prominent senator's office but did not want to go to the press


When you're a prominent US Senator, they let you digitally penetrate 'em in the pussy.

She didn't mention anything about sexual harassment or sexual assault though.

 

[Ziggurat]

Oh gee, what's tens of thousands among presidents.

Are you saying it's not a cost? No ongoing effects? Even when it looks we will outpace the Vietnam War, for it's full run, in just a few months?

This is a nonsensical comparison for all sorts of reasons. First off, there is no realistic scenario in which we avoid all Covid-related deaths, that was never an option. So whatever you think he did wrong, whatever you think he should have done instead, it could not possibly have dropped our Covid-19 death total to zero. So it makes no sense to blame Trump for every Covid-19 death.

Second, hind sight is 20/20. Nobody would have picked the optimal course of action, because nobody knew the optimal course of action ahead of time.

Third, not every death is equivalent. Harsh as it may sound, an 80 year old with a heart condition dying from Covid-19 when he would have died next year from a heart attack is not as bad as a 22 year old in good health getting shot to death. And this is part of why the Vietnam comparison is specious. Leaving aside the non-death casualties, the raw numbers alone don't tell the whole story, not even close. We have more than 600k deaths per year from heart disease, and almost as many each year from cancer. Do we describe these as being 10x worse than Vietnam? No, because they aren't comparable. The dynamics are completely different. In fact, there are lots of causes of death that produce more on an annual basis than Covid-19.

The Vietnam war comparison is an appeal to emotion, nothing more.

 

[xjx388]

Only 22 more accusations and he’ll qualify for your vote.

And he’s already at the point where he should be disqualified from high office, depending on which prior case we are looking at.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

She didn't mention anything about sexual harassment or sexual assault though.

Corroboration of the timeline element of her claim makes the claim more credible.

The fact her mother didn't blow the lid open to Larry King on national TV neither enhances nor diminishes.

 

[theprestige]

This is a nonsensical comparison for all sorts of reasons. First off, there is no realistic scenario in which we avoid all Covid-related deaths, that was never an option. So whatever you think he did wrong, whatever you think he should have done instead, it could not possibly have dropped our Covid-19 death total to zero. So it makes no sense to blame Trump for every Covid-19 death.

Second, hind sight is 20/20. Nobody would have picked the optimal course of action, because nobody knew the optimal course of action ahead of time.

Third, not every death is equivalent. Harsh as it may sound, an 80 year old with a heart condition dying from Covid-19 when he would have died next year from a heart attack is not as bad as a 22 year old in good health getting shot to death. And this is part of why the Vietnam comparison is specious. Leaving aside the non-death casualties, the raw numbers alone don't tell the whole story, not even close. We have more than 600k deaths per year from heart disease, and almost as many each year from cancer. Do we describe these as being 10x worse than Vietnam? No, because they aren't comparable. The dynamics are completely different. In fact, there are lots of causes of death that produce more on an annual basis than Covid-19.

The Vietnam war comparison is an appeal to emotion, nothing more.

Maybe Benghazi is a better analogy.

If Hillary Clinton (WNBP) were president right now -
- She'd have ignored the warning signs;
- She'd have failed to do basic prep;
- When people started dying, she'd immediately blame it on an obscure YouTube video;
- Then she'd say that by the time it really started going bad, it was too late to mobilize decisively against it;
- And when challenged to justify her policy later: "at this point, what difference does it make?"

For sure she wouldn't have bothered to restock the PPE reserve depleted during Obama's administration.

And in the end, the death toll would still only be around 40k.

 

[LSSBB]

This is a nonsensical comparison for all sorts of reasons. First off, there is no realistic scenario in which we avoid all Covid-related deaths, that was never an option. So whatever you think he did wrong, whatever you think he should have done instead, it could not possibly have dropped our Covid-19 death total to zero. So it makes no sense to blame Trump for every Covid-19 death.

Second, hind sight is 20/20. Nobody would have picked the optimal course of action, because nobody knew the optimal course of action ahead of time.

Third, not every death is equivalent. Harsh as it may sound, an 80 year old with a heart condition dying from Covid-19 when he would have died next year from a heart attack is not as bad as a 22 year old in good health getting shot to death. And this is part of why the Vietnam comparison is specious. Leaving aside the non-death casualties, the raw numbers alone don't tell the whole story, not even close. We have more than 600k deaths per year from heart disease, and almost as many each year from cancer. Do we describe these as being 10x worse than Vietnam? No, because they aren't comparable. The dynamics are completely different. In fact, there are lots of causes of death that produce more on an annual basis than Covid-19.

The Vietnam war comparison is an appeal to emotion, nothing more.

We can compare our rate to Germany, and go from there as an estimate. Trump dawdling and denying for 2 months had a significant impact.

 

[LSSBB]

Maybe Benghazi is a better analogy.

If Hillary Clinton (WNBP) were president right now -
- She'd have ignored the warning signs;
- She'd have failed to do basic prep;
- When people started dying, she'd immediately blame it on an obscure YouTube video;
- Then she'd say that by the time it really started going bad, it was too late to mobilize decisively against it;
- And when challenged to justify her policy later: "at this point, what difference does it make?"

For sure she wouldn't have bothered to restock the PPE reserve depleted during Obama's administration.

And in the end, the death toll would still only be around 40k.

I think you need to look at whether:

1. Hillary would have ignored the pandemic playbook
2. Hillary would have dismantled the pandemic response group on the National Security Council.

ETA
She was also concerned about the possibility of a pandemic, and recommended a fund be developed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mi...election/hillary-clinton/article97457107.html

ETA2: She also was concerned over the possible use of pathogens in bioterrorism:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...at-is-growing-u-s-warns-idUSTRE7B60RV20111207

But enough doing your homework for you. It's easy to speculate that Clinton would have acted like Trump, if that helps you sleep at night, without one whit of evidence to back your claim except for a single limited scope terrorist attack that somehow to your mind compares to a massive pandemic.

I just know, for the current occupant of the White House, he downplayed the importance of the pandemic and continued to sporadically support others who do, instead of uniting the nation to fight a threat.

 

[gabeygoat]

Maybe Benghazi is a better analogy.

If Hillary Clinton (WNBP) were president right now -
- She'd have ignored the warning signs;
- She'd have failed to do basic prep;
- When people started dying, she'd immediately blame it on an obscure YouTube video;
- Then she'd say that by the time it really started going bad, it was too late to mobilize decisively against it;
- And when challenged to justify her policy later: "at this point, what difference does it make?"

For sure she wouldn't have bothered to restock the PPE reserve depleted during Obama's administration.

And in the end, the death toll would still only be around 40k.

I honestly don’t understand this post. I think philosophicaly and politically e sometimes disagree, but your posts are usually smart. This just seems like made up garbage and it confuses me because I think you can do better. Maybe I’m misreading it