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SuburbanTurkey said:
Back to the topic of Biden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmieUrXwKCc&feature=emb_title

His most recent covid-19 political ad is bizarre. Basically seems to be attacking Trump for not sticking it to the Chinese hard enough. Insists we should have made them accept having CDC scientists in China and Trump's travel bans weren't severe enough.

Is this the plea that appeals to voters? That Trump wasn't sufficiently xenophobic? Is Biden trying to position himself to the right of Trump when it comes to anti-Chinese animus?

Who is this ad supposed to appeal to?

I've predicted before that any centrist Dem would gallop to the right as soon as the primary was over, but this far exceeds my expectations.
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It looks like a pretty direct response to Trump's false allegations that he has been tough in dealing with China, and that Biden has been too soft.
The Trump campaign has launched a misleading attack ad that misrepresents Joe Biden’s statements on the Trump administration’s travel restrictions, and leaves the false impression that former U.S. Ambassador to China Gary Locke, a Chinese-American, is a Chinese official.
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https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trump-campaigns-misleading-ad-attacking-biden-on-china/

I don't think it goes too far "to the right" for Biden to answer Trump, especially when Trump was claiming that the virus was nothing and that China had it under control. The ad is aimed at anybody who would swallow Trump's lies.

Meanwhile, Trump was ignoring alarm bells:
U.S. intelligence agencies were issuing ominous, classified warnings in January and February about the global danger posed by the coronavirus while President Trump and lawmakers played down the threat and failed to take action that might have slowed the spread of the pathogen, according to U.S. officials familiar with spy agency reporting.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html
 
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Bob001 said:
It looks like a pretty direct response to Trump's false allegations that he has been tough in dealing with China, and that Biden has been too soft.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trump-campaigns-misleading-ad-attacking-biden-on-china/

I don't think it goes too far "to the right" for Biden to answer Trump, especially when Trump was claiming that the virus was nothing and that China had it under control. The ad is aimed at anybody who would swallow Trump's lies.

Meanwhile, Trump was ignoring alarm bells:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9d8cda-6ad5-11ea-b5f1-a5a804158597_story.html
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Is this what Biden should be hammering Trump about?

Who really cares about China? Trump was downplaying the risk and not taking action long after the Chinese origin became a moot point. Even as the virus was ripping through Europe, Trump refused to act proportionally to the risk.

Why is Biden narrowing in on this strange China thing?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Back to the topic of Biden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmieUrXwKCc&feature=emb_title

His most recent covid-19 political ad is bizarre. Basically seems to be attacking Trump for not sticking it to the Chinese hard enough. Insists we should have made them accept having CDC scientists in China and Trump's travel bans weren't severe enough.

Is this the plea that appeals to voters? That Trump wasn't sufficiently xenophobic? Is Biden trying to position himself to the right of Trump when it comes to anti-Chinese animus?

Who is this ad supposed to appeal to?

I've predicted before that any centrist Dem would gallop to the right as soon as the primary was over, but this far exceeds my expectations.
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That's an excellent ad. Are you unable to see how bad it shows Trump to be?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Trump's inhumanity is glaringly apparent. Not much work to do there.
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You do know that Donald Trump is a human being though, yes? Even if he's a flawed human being, his flaws are still human flaws. His feelings are still human feelings. His rights are still human rights.

There is nothing apparently inhuman about him. He is inhuman only in the rhetoric of those who wish to portray him as inhuman for their own ends. That is what is glaringly apparent.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Is this what Biden should be hammering Trump about?

Who really cares about China? Trump was downplaying the risk and not taking action long after the Chinese origin became a moot point. Even as the virus was ripping through Europe, Trump refused to act proportionally to the risk.

Why is Biden narrowing in on this strange China thing?
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I see the problem. Your mind (according to your post) has filtered out all the glaring incompetence by Trump shown in the ad and for whatever reason you see (according to your post) some irrelevant issue about China.

The ad is all about Trump's incompetence. It's also about Trump's trying to blame China now when clearly Trump did not act then.


The ad is good. If true, the Biden 'I know you are but what am I' comment about who's the toughest on China, not so much.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
I don't see how Trump being more a dick to China would have made anything better.
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Wow, you are missing something. FAILURE TO ACT, IGNORING THE THREAT, DISINGENUOUSLY BLAMING CHINA NOW....you know, that sort of thing. It doesn't have diddly-squat to do with who is tougher on China.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I see the problem. Your mind (according to your post) has filtered out all the glaring incompetence by Trump shown in the ad and for whatever reason you see (according to your post) some irrelevant issue about China.

The ad is all about Trump's incompetence. It's also about Trump's trying to blame China now when clearly Trump did not act then.
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Joe talking about China is letting Trump choose the battlefield. Trump would much rather talk about how the filthy chinese allowed Wu-Flu to run rampant then talk about his massive errors here.

Whatever errors Trump made in regards to China are a drop in the bucket compared to the egregious errors that he made and is currently making here in the US.

Trump was downplaying the risk long after it was clear that the virus had gone international. Trump was responsible for gutting the pandemic response budget. Trump is still responsible for throwing states into a bidding war for supplies. Trump has promoted quack cures from the largest pulpit on the planet.

The lack of supplies, testing, and adequate response all have nothing to do with China and are much more important factors in this crisis.

I still don't understand this Biden "get the CDC on the ground in China" hawk line. What does taking an adversarial stance with China get us? What happens when they invariably deny this request?
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Joe talking about China is letting Trump choose the battlefield. Trump would much rather talk about how the filthy chinese allowed Wu-Flu to run rampant then talk about his massive errors here.

Whatever errors Trump made in regards to China are a drop in the bucket compared to the egregious error that he made and is currently making here in the US.

Trump was downplaying the risk long after it was clear that the virus had gone international. Trump was responsible for gutting the pandemic response budget. Trump is still responsible for throwing states into a bidding war for supplies. Trump has promoted quack cures from the largest pulpit on the planet.

The lack of supplies, testing, and adequate response all have nothing to do with China and are much more important factors in this crisis.

I still don't understand this Biden "get the CDC on the ground in China" hawk line. What does taking an adversarial stance with China get us? What happens when they invariably deny this request?
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It's an ad. You're overthinking it.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
The DP’s Republican candidate is Republicaning. Who would have guessed?
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Why are you trying to personally appoint Trump God-King for life?

/s

alternatively,

Biden is progressive, Bernie and Warren pulled him left. /s
 
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Sideroxylon said:
The DP’s Republican candidate is Republicaning. Who would have guessed?
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Probably everyone would have guessed. I'm thinking even people who haven't heard of the Overton Window as such still have a gut feeling about where America is and how far left a candidate can get before they fall away from the center of the window.

What I don't understand is why you think this is such a huge problem.
 
theprestige said:
Probably everyone would have guessed. I'm thinking even people who haven't heard of the Overton Window as such still have a gut feeling about where America is and how far left a candidate can get before they fall away from the center of the window.

What I don't understand is why you think this is such a huge problem.
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The Democratic candidate trying to out-hawk the nationalist candidate is pretty noteworthy, even in the current overton window. This ad is attacking Trump from the right, it's absolutely bizarre.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/futility-bidens-china-hawkery/610285/

I'm not the only one puzzled why this strange, anti-China ad is the response to Trump's covid-19 blunders.
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I don't know that the ad is "anti-China" as much as "anti-Trump's China policy."

From your link:
These cuts have taken a particular toll on American initiatives in China. Since Trump took office, both the CDC and the National Institutes of Health have reduced their staff in Beijing. The National Science Foundation has shut its office in the country entirely. The sentiment inside the Trump administration, Bouey told me, is that “if you have collaborative research with Chinese scientists, you’re helping China to build their capacity, and that’s not good for the U.S., because China is a strategic competitor.”

This hard decoupling on public-health matters almost certainly undermined the U.S. government’s initial understanding of COVID-19. To be sure, Beijing responded to the outbreak with a disastrous cover-up, followed by a harsh quarantine. It repeatedly and inexcusably delayed allowing a WHO delegation into Wuhan. Nonetheless, academics who study U.S.-Chinese cooperation on public health told me that had experts from the CDC and the National Institutes of Health maintained close contact with their Chinese counterparts, those informal channels would have given the United States much better information in the virus’s early days.
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So Trump shut down years-long U.S. cooperation with Chinese health authorities that was promoted by both the Bush and Obama administrations. If Trump had just kept doing what the previous Democratic and Republican presidents had done, the U.S. would have gotten earlier warnings and better information. Trump has alternately claimed that China was doing a great job and there would be no problem in the U.S., and blaming China for deceiving the U.S. For Biden to factually describe Trump's failures seems well within the boundaries of political debate.
 
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