Biden for President?

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There were numerous reports that both Biden and Hillary's hubby warned her that she was in trouble, and she preferred to believe her campaign staff.


I'm a little skeptical of that particular claim. I remember back in 2016, my sister who knew Trump was going to win (and she hates Trump), telling me about a FB alert from the official Hillary campaign telling voters in Wisconsin that the didn't like the numbers they were seeing (paraphrase) and to be sure to come out and vote. I believe this was about a week before the election.


So I think she started listening to somebody.
 
Add to that the far left/progressives gleefully joining with the 40% that will vote Trump no matter what to attack Biden, and we're too close for me to be comfortable either.

*citation needed*

I don't see any lefty/progressives seriously considering voting for Trump. Some are weighing whether harm reduction is a valid reason to support Biden, who is openly dismissive of their policy goals, but none are suggesting they should join the Republicans.

Ok, that was perhaps clumsy wording on my part, so I'll try again.

Add to that the far left/progressives gleefully joining Trump's 40% base to attack Biden, and we're too close for me to be comfortable either.

Trump's fans are trying to make Trump win. The far left/progressives are trying to prevent anyone from stopping Trump's win. Only a few of the far left have said they're voting for Trump.
 
I'm a little skeptical of that particular claim. I remember back in 2016, my sister who knew Trump was going to win (and she hates Trump), telling me about a FB alert from the official Hillary campaign telling voters in Wisconsin that the didn't like the numbers they were seeing (paraphrase) and to be sure to come out and vote. I believe this was about a week before the election.





So I think she started listening to somebody.
They convinced her of the danger and her response was to boost a Facebook post?

Kettle defense backfires on Ds just as easily as Rs.

Why are we using it?
 
Ok, that was perhaps clumsy wording on my part, so I'll try again.

Add to that the far left/progressives gleefully joining Trump's 40% base to attack Biden, and we're too close for me to be comfortable either.

Trump's fans are trying to make Trump win. The far left/progressives are trying to prevent anyone from stopping Trump's win. Only a few of the far left have said they're voting for Trump.

There are still Never Trump republicans that are quite vocal in their conservative opposition to Trump.
 
There are still Never Trump republicans that are quite vocal in their conservative opposition to Trump.

Ok. And that has what to do with how the far left wanting no one but Trump to win combined with 85-95% of the Republican party wanting Trump to win makes the chances of Trump winning too high for me to be comfortable?
 
He needs to be better prepared for any and all interviews.

Literally the only thing on his plate right now is preparing for interviews. And it's not like he's an inexperienced newcomer. He's been in this game for almost fifty years now.

If my preferred candidate couldn't figure out how to prepare for interviews, after forty years of practice, in the middle of his own goddamn presidential campaign, I'd be nervous, too.

I'd be in full "you had one job, Joe Biden! One! Job!" freakout mode right about now.
 
Literally the only thing on his plate right now is preparing for interviews. And it's not like he's an inexperienced newcomer. He's been in this game for almost fifty years now.

If my preferred candidate couldn't figure out how to prepare for interviews, after forty years of practice, in the middle of his own goddamn presidential campaign, I'd be nervous, too.

I'd be in full "you had one job, Joe Biden! One! Job!" freakout mode right about now.

You have just described all the occupants of my house at this moment. None of whom voted for Biden in the primaries, all of whom will vote for him in November. Except the cat, she does whatever the **** she wants.
 
Could you explain what you're talking about.
I hope you've got stronger evidence that "she started listening" than an anecdote about a relative who saw a Facebook alert.

The kettle defense I refer to is the party's blind spot on the issue of rust belt states. Every excuse offered, when looked at dispationately, seems to just be a further indictment of how spectacular a strategic misjudgment they made.

I hammer on the Schumer quote* a lot.

Anyways, the basic choices are

1. She didn't know (uninformed)

2. She knew and was not concerned enough to act (poor instincts/bad judgement)

3. She knew and acted, yet still failed to correct (leadership/resolve).

A Facebook alert seems like a 2 or 3.

Much like when we see Rs offer up a plethora of reasons, some being inconsistent with others, on this issue there's a basic rejection of just admitting we blew it.

Maybe our party is even just plain out of step with the values systems there. There doesn't need to be fault assigned at all.

There's a whole world of options to explore in terms of "so how do we respond" that remain outside the conversation when "we didn't mess up I swear(!)" is baked in.

External factors are gonna external factor.

From among those internal factors we can (ostensibly, I remain...hesitant) control, what can we modify?

How do we make this tent bigger (always knowing that expanding one way can cost elsewhere)?

*“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin."
 
I'd forgotten about the Schumer quote. I suppose one way to read it is, "we don't need you blue-collar Democrats, because we're gonna have middle class Republicans instead."

Which seems like a good way to alienate both groups. The Democrats aren't going to appreciate being dismissed as irrelevant to the party. The Republicans aren't going to appreciate the sense of entitlement and being taken for granted.
 
You have just described all the occupants of my house at this moment...


As you've mentioned before, your kids have been absent from the main domicile for some time. Generally speaking, asking questions of one another in a familial environment such as yours isn't usually regarded as an "interview". It's known as "conversing". I hope this lessens your anxiety as well as your family's anxiety about engaging in such activity.
 
As you've mentioned before, your kids have been absent from the main domicile for some time. Generally speaking, asking questions of one another in a familial environment such as yours isn't usually regarded as an "interview". It's known as "conversing". I hope this lessens your anxiety as well as your family's anxiety about engaging in such activity.

Thanks. Maybe an icebreaker is in order:

Everyone list two facts and one lie.

I'll start:

1. I'm kid A's father.
2. I'm kid B's father.
3. I'm kid C's father.​

This is going to fun when your mom gets home!
 
I'd forgotten about the Schumer quote. I suppose one way to read it is, "we don't need you blue-collar Democrats, because we're gonna have middle class Republicans instead."

Which seems like a good way to alienate both groups. The Democrats aren't going to appreciate being dismissed as irrelevant to the party. The Republicans aren't going to appreciate the sense of entitlement and being taken for granted.

All true, but if you say the highlighted could be true for liberals then you are an unreasonable Trump supporter.
 
If the Joe Rogan CHUDs saw something in Bernie that made them willing to dump their toxic politics, that's a good thing.

What are examples of Joe Rogan's toxic politics? Alternatively, what are examples of the toxic politics of Joe Rogan CHUDs? (I don't think I'm a Joe Rogan CHUD, although I've found several of his interviews entertaining- I also don't make any particular effort to watch them very frequently.)
 
What are examples of Joe Rogan's toxic politics? Alternatively, what are examples of the toxic politics of Joe Rogan CHUDs? (I don't think I'm a Joe Rogan CHUD, although I've found several of his interviews entertaining- I also don't make any particular effort to watch them very frequently.)

Whether or not Joe himself is a reactionary in his own heart is largely irrelevant. His show is perceived as being a popular platform for reactionary right wingers and other "intellectual dark web" figures that espouse right wing ideology.
 
Whether or not Joe himself is a reactionary in his own heart is largely irrelevant. His show is perceived as being a popular platform for reactionary right wingers and other "intellectual dark web" figures that espouse right wing ideology.

He seems to platform the whole spectrum of ideologies. I understand that he's considered part of the Intellectual Dark Web but those guys and gals don't necessarily share an ideology, other than perhaps being anti-SJW and anti-identity politics. Is that all it takes to be a CHUD?
 
Back to the topic of Biden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmieUrXwKCc&feature=emb_title

His most recent covid-19 political ad is bizarre. Basically seems to be attacking Trump for not sticking it to the Chinese hard enough. Insists we should have made them accept having CDC scientists in China and Trump's travel bans weren't severe enough.

Is this the plea that appeals to voters? That Trump wasn't sufficiently xenophobic? Is Biden trying to position himself to the right of Trump when it comes to anti-Chinese animus?

Who is this ad supposed to appeal to?

I've predicted before that any centrist Dem would gallop to the right as soon as the primary was over, but this far exceeds my expectations.
 
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