Biden for President?

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You settle for what you can get, just like in romance.

The problem is some people here seem to have a "cut-off" point of minimal level of acceptance and neither Trump nor Biden meet it.

Which is, to be 100% clear, a perfectly valid and fair stance to hold... if your decision wasn't effect everyone else.

But this isn't 1:1 romance. Either Biden or Trump is going to be all of our's President.

This isn't having to choose between Suzie or Tammy and deciding neither of them are good enough so you'll just stay single.

We, the entire country, are going to marry either Suzie or Tammy. Either Suzie or Tammy have to be "good enough."

Again what is supposed to happen now?
 
The problem is some people here seem to have a "cut-off" point of minimal level of acceptance and neither Trump nor Biden meet it.

Which is, to be 100% clear, a perfectly valid and fair stance to hold... if your decision wasn't effect everyone else.

But this isn't 1:1 romance. Either Biden or Trump is going to be all of our's President.

This isn't having to choose between Suzie or Tammy and deciding neither of them are good enough so you'll just stay single.

We, the entire country, are going to marry either Suzie or Tammy. Either Suzie or Tammy have to be "good enough."

Again what is supposed to happen now?

I guess all that can be done is to constantly complain that people have different opinions.
 
Not sure if it's been mentioned here already and I missed it.

Tara Reade, the woman accusing Biden of sexual assault, has made a police report to that effect. If she is lying, it is now a prosecutable crime, so that speaks a bit to her commitment to the accusation.
Maybe.... I guess the question is how often are such allegations actually prosecuted if/when it is found that the "victim" actually lied? (Especially in cases were its largely a he-said/she-said situation.)


Probably an accusation that should have been more vigorously vetted during the primary, but wasn't.
Not really sure what could have been done to vet the situation.... The police didn't have anything to investigate, and neither the media nor the democratic party had the ability to compel witnesses to talk, or to issue subpoenas.
The hypocrisy of the democratic party non-response to these allegations, especially compared to the very different response to the Kavanaugh accusations, is quite stunning.
Yes, I am sure we will hear lots of accusations of 'Hypocrisy' when comparing the Reade/Kavanaugh situations.

But, for anyone who isn't reflexively anti-Biden, there are substantial differences between the 2 cases, and reasons to be cautions about accepting Reade's allegations... conflicting accounts, her recent support of Sanders, her "love letters" to Putin, etc. None of it proves she's lying, but it does damage her credibility. Even her brother's story has changed (in one interview he said that he was told Biden "acted inappropriately"... yet several days later he claims there was more than he originally said.)

In an ideal world, the police would interview Reade, the brother and the friends who were supposedly told about the assault at the time, to check the consistencies.

Yes, assaults against women are under-reported. Yes, allegations should be listened to. But false accusations of sexual assault do happen as well. Its unfortunate, but its the world we live in.
 
Not sure if it's been mentioned here already and I missed it.

Tara Reade, the woman accusing Biden of sexual assault, has made a police report to that effect.
I believe this is incorrect.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

On Thursday, Ms. Reade filed a report with the Washington, D.C., police, saying she was the victim of a sexual assault in 1993; the public incident report, provided to The Times by Ms. Reade and the police, does not mention Mr. Biden by name, but she said the complaint was about him

If refusing to name him in the police report isn't a giant red flag.....¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There seems to be some inconsistencies in the reporting.

I have seen similar reports that state that Biden was only referred to as 'Subject-2', but the NPR article previously referred to states: "NPR obtained confirmation of the police report from a law enforcement source. A record of the report names Biden.".

(NPR is usually seen as a reliable news agency. Maybe their 'law enforcement source didn't provide anything from the actual report but something from secondary sources.)
 
There seems to be some inconsistencies in the reporting.

I have seen similar reports that state that Biden was only referred to as 'Subject-2', but the NPR article previously referred to states: "NPR obtained confirmation of the police report from a law enforcement source. A record of the report names Biden.".

(NPR is usually seen as a reliable news agency. Maybe their 'law enforcement source didn't provide anything from the actual report but something from secondary sources.)

I don't see any inconsistency.

Assume this scenario:
The police are told by Ms. Reade " I'm filing this report about Joe Biden, but he is not named him in the report" :

NYT:
On Thursday, Ms. Reade filed a report with the Washington, D.C., police, saying she was the victim of a sexual assault in 1993; the public incident report, provided to The Times by Ms. Reade and the police, does not mention Mr. Biden by name, but she said the complaint was about him

The NYT had the report.

NPR:
NPR obtained confirmation of the police report from a law enforcement source. A record of the report names Biden.

NPR does not say the report names Biden, it says a "record of the report names Biden". I'm sure they chose their words with precision.
 
It's alleged that Trump has victimized far more women, and even a child or two.

And that is a fact. I am not buying into Biden being sexually creepy. Trump has proven himself to be a predator. Watching Biden, I'm not getting the comparisons I hear - mostly by the right - of Biden's provocations being inappropriate. Whenever I see Trump speak it is as if I can see his greasiness, his emptiness his soullessness.

It isn't even close for me.
 
Biden isn't black tho, so presumably there won't be the same racist backlash that there was against Obama.

Problem is that it does not matter anymore. Today's republiloons will obstruct any democrat POTUS, not just black one. How progressive of them.
 
Not sure if it's been mentioned here already and I missed it.

Tara Reade, the woman accusing Biden of sexual assault, has made a police report to that effect. If she is lying, it is now a prosecutable crime, so that speaks a bit to her commitment to the accusation.
https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/837966525/on-the-record-a-former-biden-staffers-sexual-assault-allegation

Probably an accusation that should have been more vigorously vetted during the primary, but wasn't. I'm sure we'll be hearing more about as the general election heats up.

The hypocrisy of the democratic party non-response to these allegations, especially compared to the very different response to the Kavanaugh accusations, is quite stunning.
Bull ****. We have responded, looked carefully at the facts, and don't find her accusation the least bit credible.

Are we supposed to always find these accusations credible? At what point can we decide one way or the other?
 
Like I said before, the DNC is really going to lean hard into the "lesser evil" rationale for getting out the vote for Joe.

Yes, you are correct. Trump has many more accusations of sex crimes than Joe. Of the two candidates, Joe's rape accusers are less numerous and possibly less credible. When "no rape" is not an option, I suppose less rape is the best choice.
Where is your evidence of this dismissal rationalization coming from the DNC?

Also, no "rape" was accused. You've revealed your cards.
 
Where is your evidence of this dismissal rationalization coming from the DNC?

Also, no "rape" was accused. You've revealed your cards.

Pardon me, sexual assault. Biden is only alleged to have sexually assaulted a staffer over whom he wielded tremendous power. Compared to Trump's many more egregious alleged attacks, this is notable.

Blue sex pests are kinder, gentler sex pests. Pull the lever.
 
Pardon me, sexual assault. Biden is only alleged to have sexually assaulted a staffer over whom he wielded tremendous power. Compared to Trump's many more egregious alleged attacks, this is notable.

Blue sex pests are kinder, gentler sex pests. Pull the lever.

Riiight. But her emails, Benghazi... Trump was really spied on because the FBI was careless about FISA court applications, whatever floats your boat to harp on. More power to you.
 
Riiight. But her emails, Benghazi... Trump was really spied on because the FBI was careless about FISA court applications, whatever floats your boat to harp on. More power to you.

These things worked, ya know.

2016 was a shock to all. There's no excuse for this from the DNC in 2020. Trump will take minor scandals (or not, sexual assault is no small matter) and blow it way out of proportion. Just like he did with Hillary.

Smugly pointing out how easily the voters were duped is not much consolation for losing.
 
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