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The One Covid-19 Science and Medicine Thread

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Within a half hour of re-opening the Jacksonville, Florida beaches there were thousands of people there.
 
CDC screwed up covid test, took a month to fix it.
The failure by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to quickly produce a test kit for detecting the novel coronavirus was triggered by a glaring scientific breakdown at the CDC’s central laboratory complex in Atlanta, according to scientists with knowledge of the matter and a determination by federal regulators.

The CDC facilities that assembled the kits violated sound manufacturing practices, resulting in contamination of one of the three test components used in the highly sensitive detection process, the scientists said.

The cross contamination most likely occurred because chemical mixtures were assembled into the kits within a lab space that was also handling synthetic coronavirus material. The scientists also said the proximity deviated from accepted procedures and jeopardized testing for the virus.
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The troubled segment of the test was not critical to detecting the novel coronavirus, experts said. But after the difficulty emerged, CDC officials took more than a month to remove the unnecessary step from the kits, exacerbating nationwide delays in testing, according to an examination of federal documents and interviews with more than 30 present and former federal scientists and others familiar with the events.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...7d3824-7139-11ea-aa80-c2470c6b2034_story.html
 
I don't know the English word for "smittetryk" (contagiousness?), the number of new infections caused by the average person infected with the virus.

There's no equivalent word, as far as I know. It's called the R0 number.
 
Do we yet have any solid evidence that people touching surfaces and then putting their unwashed hands in their mouths has caused any cases of this disease?

I am watching the most likely carriers in the highest density part of my state go and buy plate lunches including lots of cold items, eat them without washing their hands and we still haven't had a run on coffins
 
Do we yet have any solid evidence that people touching surfaces and then putting their unwashed hands in their mouths has caused any cases of this disease?

I am watching the most likely carriers in the highest density part of my state go and buy plate lunches including lots of cold items, eat them without washing their hands and we still haven't had a run on coffins

I don't think the hazard is hands in mouth. Covid isn't a digestive disorder. It's hands to nose, hands to eyes that inserts it into the respiratory system.
 
The Stanford Study is Flawed:

Out of a sample of 3330 people in Santa Clara, they had 50 positives.

The false positive rate used was based on 2 positives out of 401 known negatives. They then (mostly) ignored the uncertainty associated with the limited sample and went on to adjust the stats for demographic differences between the people that got tested and the Santa Clara population and provided statistical ranges based on those adjustments.

But here's the fundamental problem. With the limited sample of 2 false positives out of 401 known negatives, there is a 5% chance that the true false positive rate is > 1.55%

So if the false positive rate was 1.55%, the expected number of people in 3330 if ALL are actually negative would be 52 which is more than the actual number of positives.

I presume peer review will have pointed this out already.
 
US Food & Drug Administration (FDA) says that we don't need to sanitize the food packaging after we shop...


Shopping for Food During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Information for Consumers

FDA said:
We want to reassure consumers that there is currently no evidence of human or animal food or food packaging being associated with transmission of the coronavirus that causes COVID-19. This particular coronavirus causes respiratory illness and is spread from person-to-person, unlike foodborne gastrointestinal or GI viruses, such as norovirus and hepatitis A that often make people ill through contaminated food...

https://www.fda.gov/food/food-safet...uring-covid-19-pandemic-information-consumers
 
How much should we trust that given how wrong the CDC has been about this pandemic? You think the FDA is going to be much better? I mean, anecdotally, it sure seems to be right, but its still nerve wracking
 
How much should we trust that given how wrong the CDC has been about this pandemic? You think the FDA is going to be much better? I mean, anecdotally, it sure seems to be right, but its still nerve wracking
FDA: Make sure you wash your hands, but you don't need to wash the things that your hands touch.
 
However, will Russia become the new Italy (or Spain)? Etc.

Russia is already well on the way, except their death rate is so low, it shows the efficiency of Russian hospitals and that a high case load there won't matter much.

Or, in the real world, they're making up their test numbers, reporting a number of positives and ignoring thousands of people dying in ambulances that can't get near a hospital.

And if you think Russia is bad, Brazil and Africa are just kicking off.

Do we yet have any solid evidence that people touching surfaces and then putting their unwashed hands in their mouths has caused any cases of this disease?

I don't see how it's possible to tell which route they contracted the disease from.

I presume peer review will have pointed this out already.

Peer review? What's that?

Something that really pisses me off is the number of completely unrealistic and utterly non-peer-reviewed "studies" making the news on Covid-19.

Every one is jumped on like it's the Holy Grail. Hydroxychloroquine is a perfect example.

Any info on the effects of sea water on the virus?

Not this one, but there's actually an enormous amount of study has been done it.

Here's one lengthy study: https://www.karger.com/Article/Fulltext/484899

The tl;dr version is:

Salt water vastly increases the breakdown of the lipid envelope.

So fish probably won't catch it.
 
To Mask or Not To Mask, That is the Question

https://icite.od.nih.gov/covid19/search/#record:recordId=10.1101/2020.04.06.20055624

Our results suggest use of face masks by the general public is potentially of high value in curtailing community transmission and the burden of the pandemic.


https://icite.od.nih.gov/covid19/search/#record:recordId=10.1101/2020.04.02.20051177

Speaking may be a primary mode of transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Considering that reports of asymptomatic transmission account for 50-80% of COVID-19 cases and that saliva has peak viral loads at time of patient presentation, droplet emission while speaking could be a significant factor driving transmission and warrants further study. We used a planar beam of laser light passing through a dust-free enclosure to detect saliva droplets emitted while speaking. We found that saying the words 9Stay Healthy9 generates thousands of droplets that are otherwise invisible to the naked eye. A damp homemade cloth face mask dramatically reduced droplet excretion, with none of the spoken words causing a droplet rise above the background. Our preliminary findings have important implications for pandemic mitigation efforts.
 
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