Biden for President?

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SuburbanTurkey said:
No, it's quite clear that many would rather dismiss Clinton's many internal failures as a secondary cause not worth mentioning.
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This is a normal problem about campaign analysis - whoever lost absolutely *must* have had a massive number of failures, while whoever wins goes unexamined.

Truth is, campaigns make mistakes. All of them. Many can't possibly be seen ahead of time, and many of these analyses depend on contrafactuals in any case. It's impossible to be sure that Hillary would have won had she held more rallies in state 1, and thus fewer in state 2. The one thing we absolutely know, however, is that Hillary was on track to win, until Comey, again in open violation of DoJ policy, revealed that he had reopened the investigation into Hillary's emails, in what he must have known was nothing but a CYA check that would produce nothing (I, and others, said so immediately) to congressional GOPers. They predictably ran to the public with the info, her numbers sank, and Dolt 45's increased, immediately following this announcement, and Dolt 45 went from "dead" to "about 33%", as news coverage dutifully shifted back to the same old discussion.

Sorry, sometimes the deciding factor *is* something external. McCain's campaign was killed by the financial meltdown, as another example.
 
Mumbles said:
You'll be lucky if it's along those lines - the next one will start their project of overturning Brown v. Board.

(Think I'm kidding? Take a look at how John Roberts Started.)
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While that is on the table I think overturning Heart of Atlanta and Ollie's BBQ thus striking down the 1964 civil rights act would happen before that.

The first step in crippling Federal oversight of the states is to start severely narrowing the commerce clause. The vast majority of Federal power depends on a very expansive reading of that.

If they go this route they might start knocking over New Deal era cases or "modify" Wickard v. Filburn to cut the legs out before explicitly whacking federal civil rights legislation.

Or maybe do it in one case because they won't care much about being subtle at that point.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Ahh yes, the wild speculation of our political enemies, Truth from the heavens. These people don't have any special knowledge about how such a match-up would unfold.
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And that wasn't even what their real "speculation" actually was anyway. Trump's public comments about how Sanders was being treated by the media weren't about which Democrat would be the easiest or toughest opponent. They were about... how Sanders was being treated by the media. Trump identifies with Sanders to some extent because he sees them both as a fellow targets of unfair media attacks, and possibly also because Sanders's campaigns have used some of the same themes that Trump also used to get elected when nobody else would really touch those themes (fighting the corruption, looking out for the forgotten little guy, no everything's not fine we have real problems to fix).

To find out who he would have preferred to run against, one should listen to what he said when he was actually talking about... what it would be like to run against them, not just some side detail about how public life has been treating them. And on that subject, what he said is that Sanders would be hard to run against because the policies he was proposing would be very appealing to a lot of voters.

To pretend that Trump wanted to run against Sanders, one must do a denialist two-step: pretend both that he never said what he said that was actually on the subject and directly goes against the claim, and that some other thing he said on some other subject must have really been what you wanted him to have said to fill in the gap left by the first step. And it's all so one can claim the deep insights of a rabid orange baboon as proof of "ELECTABLE!!!".

I wonder how long it will take the Bidenistas to quit pigeonchessing the whole discussion like that... or even if they ever will at all.
 
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Delvo said:
And that wasn't even what their real "speculation" actually was anyway. Trump's public comments about how Sanders was being treated by the media weren't about which Democrat would be the easiest or toughest opponent. They were about... how Sanders was being treated by the media.
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Snipped at the point your claims went off the rails. Trump has made more comments about Sanders and his campaign than just about how the media is treating Sanders. Not being aware of this is no reason to create some alternate fantasy about "Bidenistas" evilly plotting against the one true lord and savior Sanders.
 
wareyin said:
Snipped at the point your claims went off the rails. Trump has made more comments about Sanders and his campaign than just about how the media is treating Sanders. Not being aware of this is no reason to create some alternate fantasy about "Bidenistas" evilly plotting against the one true lord and savior Sanders.
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AOC was in the news today grumpy that Biden hadn't reached out to her. Entitlement.....
 
rockysmith76 said:
AOC was in the news today grumpy that Biden hadn't reached out to her. Entitlement.....
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Despite the odd fascination that conservatives have with AOC, I am glad that she says she will support Biden. I find it interesting how much differently the conservative news organizations frame her statements than do the central or even left leaning ones. It would behoove everyone claiming to not be conservative to get their news from more than just conservative sources.
 
wareyin said:
Despite the odd fascination that conservatives have with AOC, I am glad that she says she will support Biden. I find it interesting how much differently the conservative news organizations frame her statements than do the central or even left leaning ones. It would behoove everyone claiming to not be conservative to get their news from more than just conservative sources.
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What I saw was on Google News, which is a random news spider. One shouldnt accuse of bias whilst being biased
 
Not much use now, but ...
New poll shows Trump beating Biden, losing to Sanders
 
rockysmith76 said:
What I saw was on Google News, which is a random news spider.
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Ok. Google News tends to feed me news sources that I've already been reading, rather than randomly. I think they kind of make a big deal of the knowledge that they tailor their feed to people based on preferences and past web activity, actually.

rockysmith76 said:
One shouldnt accuse of bias whilst being biased
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Indeed.
 
If this is the story you two are bickering about, it's worth reading beyond the headlines:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/us/politics/aoc-progressives-joe-biden.html

AOC talks at length in the interview about what it means to unify the party, and how so far she is disappointed by Biden's lack of interest in meaningfully doing so.

AOC: There’s this talk about unity as this kind of vague, kumbaya, kind of term. Unity and unifying isn’t a feeling, it’s a process. And what I hope does not happen in this process is that everyone just tries to shoo it along and brush real policies — that mean the difference of life and death or affording your insulin and not affording your insulin — just brush that under the rug as an aesthetic difference of style.
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TragicMonkey said:
Both parties have selected their turds, now they must polish them to a fine sheen.
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The GOP didn't really choose Trump. The voters chose Trump, and now the party has to hold its nose. Maybe the same thing is true of the DNC. I suspect every candidate looks like a turd after they get selected. I guess it depends how many voters actually had Biden as their first pick.
 
theprestige said:
The GOP didn't really choose Trump. The voters chose Trump, and now the party has to hold its nose. Maybe the same thing is true of the DNC. I suspect every candidate looks like a turd after they get selected. I guess it depends how many voters actually had Biden as their first pick.
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South Park had something to say about this exact thing a few seasons back....
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
If this is the story you two are bickering about, it's worth reading beyond the headlines:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/us/politics/aoc-progressives-joe-biden.html

AOC talks at length in the interview about what it means to unify the party, and how so far she is disappointed by Biden's lack of interest in meaningfully doing so.
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That wasn't one of the articles that I had read, but as I'm skimming it now I note that she's upset Biden under-performed among young people. The least likely to vote group is not...exactly the group we should be focusing on. She also talks about how defeating Trump is a matter of life or death for "our communities", that she defines as "Any number of communities, whether it’s the Bronx, whether it’s Latinos, or whether it’s people of color, whether it’s women, whether it’s young people, whether it’s people with student debt, whether it’s working-class people, or people with no health care." I'm hopeful that she can convince other progressives how maybe it's more important to do the, you know, life or death stuff like defeating Trump before we do self-defeating stuff like not vote, vote 3rd party, or even vote Trump as some are threatening to do.

After all, as AOC says in that article: "But I know the goal ultimately is to win. And I’m not trying to needle as a way of making a point or to score points. I want to win. And I want to make sure that we win broadly."
 
rockysmith76 said:
What I saw was on Google News, which is a random news spider. One shouldnt accuse of bias whilst being biased
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Google News is not your friend. Their news spider is not random. It's feeding you a precision-engineered stream of stuff to reassure you in your world view, so that you continue to feel happy about using their service and contributing your data to their data mine. You're a product. The news spider is a gardener tending the crop.

Don't blame Google News for the items you choose to post about here.
 
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