Biden for President?

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3point14 said:
No, you really didn't.

Your statement was framed as factual. You can't back it up so you're backing yourself up. Well done for coming to your senses, but don't get all snippy because you could express yourself properly.
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It was an opinion and a correct one, and you ain't the boss of me. The left has never won more than 3% of any election since McGovern tried. And before someone goes there, Obama was a mainstream Dem, Bernie represented the Left.
 
rockysmith76 said:
Then that just makes you wrong. Most folks tend towards the center, not far right or left.
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No, you are wrong and I've cited evidence to support the fact that you are wrong. Nice try though. If you want acceptance, maybe you can go to stormfront or fox news forums.
 
3point14 said:
Voting for the lesser of two eveils just means things end upgetting more evil.
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And not voting for the lesser of two evils makes it more likely that the GREATER of two evils gets elected.

Look, either Donald Trump or Joe Biden is going to be elected. If you think both of these are equal, you are an idiot.

The lesser of two evils is still better than the greater of two evils. If you throw your vote away, all you are doing is enabling the worse option.
 
thaiboxerken said:
This is a lie. Most progressive policies are very popular with the American people.
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Then why was Bernie so far behind against a corporate democrat? It wasn't even popular enough within his own party to secure the nomination.
 
xjx388 said:
Now, having said all that -is Joe Biden the guy who's fighting for all that? I don't think so, not from what I've seen. Bernie might have been closer, if a bit too far, and I think I would have voted for him even before this pandemic -if only as a "what the hell, it can't be worse than the Trump Admin" vote as well as to help my kids get the candidate they want.
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Joe Biden is on most issues a transactional, consensus, politician. As achieving a consensus is an absolute prerequisite for most of these measures, I'm not as opposed to Biden as some others are on the 'what is he fighting for?' account. Bernie wasn't going to get most of what he wanted either because he had not shown an ability to convince a broad enough coalition to form a consensus (which still leaves it to others to do, so not an impediment there either). The kind of support Bernie was able to muster was one of the reasons I was vastly more for Warren than for Bernie.

But I can work with any of them by advancing my ideas to the broader party and public. Biden or Bernie wouldn't actually be a sticking point for that.
 
Leftus said:
Then why was Bernie so far behind against a corporate democrat? It wasn't even popular enough within his own party to secure the nomination.
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Because people vote for a candidate, and not a lane. This is why in 2016 12% of Bernie supporters can go to Trump and in these primaries 36% of Warren supporters can go to Biden (and 43% to Bernie).

Most people are filthy casuals on politics.
 
pgwenthold said:
And not voting for the lesser of two evils makes it more likely that the GREATER of two evils gets elected.

Look, either Donald Trump or Joe Biden is going to be elected. If you think both of these are equal, you are an idiot.
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Crikey, calm down. I'm not voting for any of them and for very good reason.

Those that are voting, I recommend voting Biden. Because he's not Trump.

He's still a corporate owned employee of billionaires though.


The lesser of two evils is still better than the greater of two evils. If you throw your vote away, all you are doing is enabling the worse option.
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I'm not throwing away my vote on anything. I threw my vote away last year.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
Provide evidence that the economic concerns are as important as, or greater than public health.
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Again: you are asking someone to prove that their value system is worth more than yours. That's impossible, and you can't prove the opposite either. Here, I'll prove it:

Provide evidence that public health concerns are more important than the economy.

You can't do it, because we're talking about values, not facts. You're making a pretty fundamental, rookie skeptic mistake here.
 
rockysmith76 said:
It's not a lie, it's an opinion
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If one's opinion goes against the available evidence that they are quite aware of, what would you call stating that opiniont?

I'd call it lying.

rockysmith76 said:
800 out of 300 million is a majority? Good luck with that.
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Congratulations, you've invalidated every poll ever conducted.

So how would you know, then, that the ideas in question are not popular?
 
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rockysmith76 said:
very sampling evidence.
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What does that even mean? You just dismiss the evidence out of hand because it doesn't agree with you?

But ok, you made a claim so demonstrate it: show some sort of evidence or poll that indicates that these ideas are unpopular.

I'd call this a dogpiling, because thats what it is.
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Sorry, you're still confusing facts with opinions, here.
 
Rocky is misusing the term "opinion." He means to say that he has a funny feeling about the facts. That feeling does not align with the available evidence.
 
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