The Trump Presidency: Part 20

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On the recommendation of the White House CoronaVirus Task Force, and upon consultation with the Governor’s of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, I have asked the @CDCgov to issue a strong Travel Advisory, to be administered by the Governors, in consultation with the....

....Federal Government. A quarantine will not be necessary. Full details will be released by CDC tonight. Thank you!
 
This emperor is so bare naked, it's a wonder his skin contains his internal organs.

Zing!

It's like I've woken up in Orwell's 1984 - a place where people are so mind-controlled that they can believe 2 completely contradictory statements in the space of five minutes.

How the hell did it happen?
 
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It's like I've woken up in Orwell's 1984 - a place where people are so mind-controlled that they can believe 2 completely contradictory statements in the space of five minutes.

How the hell did it happen?

A few weeks ago, when it became obvious that we were way behind in testing, I was noting to my wife that when she and I were growing up, the United States really was the top of the world. That wasn't propaganda. We had the best schools. We had the best scientists. We had the best health care. That was not a lie, back then. I expressed pity that that had changed, and wondered aloud what had gone wrong.

She responded, "Because people like Trump."

I said, "I don't think it's just Trump. This took a long time."

And she explained, "I didn't say because OF people like Trump. It's because people like Trump." She went on to explain that we have become a nation that demands easy answers, that demands to be taken care of, and that is all too willing to blame anyone but ourselves for our problems. That is exactly what Trump does.

So now Trump is up there tweeting that we will win! Yay! U S A!

And people, at least a lot of them, are eating it up.
 
I'm adding a couple of special utterances to this list to help crystallize the spectacular degree of imbecility on display from this dangerous clown. I do this for the noble purpose of rubbing it in the face of cultists, toadies, JAQers, enablers, and other deplorables documenting these important facts for posterity.

Jan 22: We have it totally under control ... it's going to be just fine.

Jan 24: It will all work out well.

Jan 30: We have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully.

Jan 31: We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.

Feb 10: Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.

Feb 19: I think the numbers are going to get progressively better as we go along.

Feb 23: Very much under control.

March 2: It's very mild.

March 6: I didn't know people died from the flu.

March 7: I'm not concerned at all.

March 26: This whatever they want to call it. You call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus. You know, you can call it many different names. I'm not sure anybody even knows what it is.

This emperor is so bare naked, it's a wonder his skin contains his internal organs.

Nov 3: Trump gets re-elected.
 
I think I'll send a memo to Trump thanking him for showing the rest of the world just how stupid a majority of Americans are.

When he couldn't have done more u-turns on the disease and been more useless and spiteful than he has, his approval rating for handling the outbreak is at 49%, against 44% who disapprove.

At the same time, his overall approval rating is at the highest level since about 3 hours after inauguration.

In any country where even half of people had a brain he'd have been taken out and given a good kicking by now, but nope, good old Americans see no problem in their president going from "It's a bad cold and won't affect us at all" to "I always knew it was a pandemic" in the space of a fortnight as nothing to be concerned about.

For the polls, there is a certain blind, patriotic rallying that happens in times of strife. Bush spiked to 70% with Iraq, but public mood turned over time.

Trump is getting his "war president" spike and it is still still below water.
 
More than half. Remember that 3 million more people did not vote for Trump than did.

Mmm. Honestly, depends how much one includes the non-voters and how. Non-voters made up, what, nearly 40% of the voting-eligible population?

A few weeks ago, when it became obvious that we were way behind in testing, I was noting to my wife that when she and I were growing up, the United States really was the top of the world. That wasn't propaganda. We had the best schools. We had the best scientists. We had the best health care. That was not a lie, back then. I expressed pity that that had changed, and wondered aloud what had gone wrong.

She responded, "Because people like Trump."

I said, "I don't think it's just Trump. This took a long time."

And she explained, "I didn't say because OF people like Trump. It's because people like Trump." She went on to explain that we have become a nation that demands easy answers, that demands to be taken care of, and that is all too willing to blame anyone but ourselves for our problems. That is exactly what Trump does.

So now Trump is up there tweeting that we will win! Yay! U S A!

And people, at least a lot of them, are eating it up.

Mmm. I'm going to call that an oversimplified answer, too, personally, and a bit misdirected. The easy answers one is defensible, but not particularly deep diving. The "demands to be taken care of" and "too willing to blame anyone but ourselves" is part of the right-wing narratives that played a significant underlying role in causing exactly the problems that you're observing as they were weaponized to redirect blame from where fault actually rested. That's not to say that it's all the right-wing's fault - it's not. The factors in play are much more complex than that, though it's well worth paying special note to the way that rich libertarians have worked very hard for a long time to undermine and corrupt the government, specifically because the government has power over them and has been using it to prevent them from maximizing their profits by doing things like making their employees into slaves, whether directly or effectively. That actually has philosophical roots from well before the Civil War, incidentally, as the plantation owners in the South engaged in perhaps the most profitable endeavor in history at that time, creating an extremely unequal distribution of wealth and power that's left a very long-lasting and usually poorly understood scar in the US social and power structures and development. Also of note are the anti-science folks who the right has pointedly worked to court. With regards to a number of religions, science has both knocked down cherished tale after cherished tale after cherished tale as untrue and offers up a dramatically more provably trustworthy methodology to find answers than the religions offer. People with a vested interest in the continued survival of their religions, especially the people with a financial vested interest or an overt interest in scamming people like the prosperity gospel leaders and televangelists, have invested quite a bit of time and effort into undermining and attacking science and, well, education in general.

During the Civil Rights movement, especially, part of the political realignment that happened involved the Republican Party pointedly courting the anti-science religion leaders, and after the realignment, that group held a disproportionate say in the propaganda and direction of the GOP, which naturally meant that the GOP became much more overtly hostile to science when science determined that things that they didn't like actually are the case, and it's shown. The GOP's propaganda is one of the long-time significant influencers of how the US proceeds, of course.

There's much more that could be said, much of it less directly political, but... that's more than enough for now. Also, just to repeat a point that I barely touched on - Democrats aren't blameless by a long shot, however much the Democrats since, say, the Civil Rights movement are dramatically less at fault.
 
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Relating to recent news with production plants, my understanding is that the US has secured multiple manufacturing sites for ventilators but GM wanted a much higher price. Trump or the government stood firm and said "we have the federal authority to forcibly acquire your manufacturing plants and you get nothing."
GM held firm whilst other places took the deal. I think the yanks should be given credit for that one.
 
Mmm. I'm going to call that an oversimplified answer, too....

Sure.

It's from an amateur talking on an internet board.

I thought your post also had a lot of basically correct, but also oversimplified, points. We only have so much time available. When we look back on this era, part of what we have to understand is how we could get from the nation that led the cold war, to the nation that elected Donald Trump, in a couple of generations, but that's a very complex subject.
 
Relating to recent news with production plants, my understanding is that the US has secured multiple manufacturing sites for ventilators but GM wanted a much higher price. Trump or the government stood firm and said "we have the federal authority to forcibly acquire your manufacturing plants and you get nothing."
GM held firm whilst other places took the deal. I think the yanks should be given credit for that one.

Mary Barra tells a different story, and I think she has more credibility.
 
Originally Posted by Stacyhs
More than half. Remember that 3 million more people did not vote for Trump than did.

Mmm. Honestly, depends how much one includes the non-voters and how. Non-voters made up, what, nearly 40% of the voting-eligible population?

I don't include them at all. If they didn't bother to vote, they don't count as far as I'm concerned.
But, if I did, I think a lot of Clinton supporters took it for granted she'd win as the polls indicated and didn't bother to vote; Trump supporters did not. They would have been damn sure to vote for him as he was the underdog.
 
Relating to recent news with production plants, my understanding is that the US has secured multiple manufacturing sites for ventilators but GM wanted a much higher price. Trump or the government stood firm and said "we have the federal authority to forcibly acquire your manufacturing plants and you get nothing."
GM held firm whilst other places took the deal. I think the yanks should be given credit for that one.
How exactly does that work?

If GM decides that it needs a certain price to avoid operating at a loss, can the federal government still demand they offer units at below manufacturing cost?
 
A few weeks ago, when it became obvious that we were way behind in testing, I was noting to my wife that when she and I were growing up, the United States really was the top of the world. That wasn't propaganda. We had the best schools. We had the best scientists. We had the best health care. That was not a lie, back then. I expressed pity that that had changed, and wondered aloud what had gone wrong.

She responded, "Because people like Trump."

I said, "I don't think it's just Trump. This took a long time."

And she explained, "I didn't say because OF people like Trump. It's because people like Trump." She went on to explain that we have become a nation that demands easy answers, that demands to be taken care of, and that is all too willing to blame anyone but ourselves for our problems. That is exactly what Trump does.

So now Trump is up there tweeting that we will win! Yay! U S A!

And people, at least a lot of them, are eating it up.

I would put a little of the blame with right-wing talk radio. The opinions of the common man became more important than those of experts.

At the risk of being too Toffler-esque, information overload is a factor.

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When our country’s children’s math and language skills are measured, we are not first. But when our children’s self-evaluations of those skills are measured, we are in first place.


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that should have been Tofflerian. Following the pattern of Popperian and Rogerian.
 
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The veteran TV journalist, Leslie Stahl, reported this a few years ago:

Stahl said she and her boss met with Trump at his office in Trump Tower in Manhattan after the 2016 election in advance of a recorded sit-down interview for “60 Minutes.

“At one point, he started to attack the press,” Stahl said. “There were no cameras in there.”

“I said, ‘You know, this is getting tired. Why are you doing it over and over? It’s boring and it’s time to end that. You know, you’ve won ... why do you keep hammering at this?’” Stahl recalled.

“And he said: ‘You know why I do it? I do it to discredit you all and demean you all so that when you write negative stories about me no one will believe you.’”
Stahl paused for a moment after quoting Trump to the assembled journalists.

“He said that,” Stahl noted.

“So, put that in your head for a minute. Yeah.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/22/tru...shes-press-to-discredit-negative-stories.html

He's such a disgusting excuse for a man.
 
Sure.

It's from an amateur talking on an internet board.

I thought your post also had a lot of basically correct, but also oversimplified, points. We only have so much time available. When we look back on this era, part of what we have to understand is how we could get from the nation that led the cold war, to the nation that elected Donald Trump, in a couple of generations, but that's a very complex subject.

Indeed, what I said was simplified very significantly, which is part of why I pointedly tried to make clear that it wasn't anywhere close to everything of note. Rather, as I said, I called out a couple of the things that were worthy of special note. They were very notable underlying drivers that were directly pushing things in the bad direction that you observed, after all, but they certainly weren't the only forces in play.


As the Don noted, not a pathological liar. Also, not the side demanding on Twitter that GM reopen a factory that they no longer own. Also, not the side that had Kushner in a position of power on this for no good reason.

Going further, as I poked at before... On GM's side, they claim that 1) the contractual details with Ventec were done at that point, 2) they had already been hiring the extra workers at the plant that they were getting running, and 3) the thing that was actually holding them up at that point was... the White House. Nearly at the same time that Trump did his tweet about invoking his club, GM was announcing that because of the White House's delays, they were just going to get things up and running without a contract and make the ventilators available to potential interested buyers.
 
Nov 3: Trump gets re-elected.


You think it couldn't happen?
President Trump and former vice president Joe Biden are in a tightly competitive race for the White House in the November general election, with the president gaining ground on his likely challenger over the past month as the coronavirus pandemic convulses the country, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...5cb8ba-7037-11ea-b148-e4ce3fbd85b5_story.html
 
Trump getting re-elected becomes more and more likely, because the more the crisis escalates, the less it will seem like a lack of leadership and more like a natural disaster, if not Divine Retribution.
And Trump is the only one who tells people what they want to hear: that everything will be alright soon, even if everyone knows it won't.
 
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