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Cont: 2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 3

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Once you have in country spread of covid-19, closing the borders becomes pointless.

Obviously.

My point was that we had the option of shutting up shop before that happened and didn't take it. Now, we have one of the fastest increases in the world on a per capita basis.

A cat in Belgium has tested positive for coronavirus after showing symptoms.

Please don't get my hopes up.

Something that would rid the world of those useless, bird-killing, toxoplasmosis-carrying, meat-eating, ball of fur regurgitating mammals would please me no end, so don't mention it again unless it's shown to be 100% fatal to the vile little scum.

( I have to admit to confusion as to why this virus hasn't been seen before given it can infect a fairly wide range of other mammals.)
 
Something that would rid the world of those useless, bird-killing, toxoplasmosis-carrying, meat-eating, ball of fur regurgitating mammals would please me no end, so don't mention it again unless it's shown to be 100% fatal to the vile little scum.

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completely agree
 
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And there are signs China severely underreported deaths from COVID-19. Though I hope no one took their official numbers at face value.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/28/shipm...questions-about-chinas-coronavirus-reporting/

NYPOST? That story about urn shipments is full of obvious holes.

Of course there are a lot of urns suddenly getting shipped. The place was locked down for over 2 months. Lots more people died just from other causes than the 3.3k from coronavirus and places weren't getting urns, or much of anything else other than food, during that whole time.

Sheesh.
 
One company with three factories in Malaysia makes one fifth of the world's condoms, and they are closed due to coronavirus and aren't making any.

“We are going to see a global shortage of condoms everywhere, which is going to be scary,” [their chief executive] said. “My concern is that for a lot of humanitarian programmes … in Africa, the shortage will not just be two weeks or a month. That shortage can run into months.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...om-shortage-coronavirus-shuts-down-production
 
I was glad to see that Abbott got approval for their rapid test. We use this system (ID Now) to do strep and flu testing now; this will be seem less for us. I just hope they are able to produce a lot, right away.
 
Some numbers regarding Italy. The source is a swedish italy correspondent citing ISS:

Based on 6801 deaths by corona:
Avarage age: 78 years
Women: 29,6%
97,9% had atleast one serious illness before.
50.7% had atleast three serious illness before.
25,9% had atleast two serious illness before.
21,3% had atleast one serious illness before.
Average age of the infected: 62 years
Most whom tested positive is between 51-70 years.
No one below 30 have died.
Between 31-39 years, 17 had died (0.2%). 14 men and 3 women.
Death rate by age:
31-39 years: 0.2%
40-49 years: 1%
50-59 years: 3,6%
60-69 years: 11,2%
70-79 years: 35,3%
80-89 years: 39,7%.
>90 år: 8,9%.

So 84% of the 6801 deaths are over 70 years and 95,5% over 60 years.
 
You think the videos on youtube of the young dead italian women are fake? There are a few where the brothers or fathers were asking the police what to do with the bodies.

Newest TWIV, one of the hosts is broadcasting with it himself! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyIsLx4RJs8

Talking more about plasma therapy
 
So, what does this situation look like on the ground, in a typical U.S. town? Here's a snapshot.

Here’s what the numbers look like in my region, Plymouth County in MA (yes, we have a rock!) There are 27 towns in the county, which is the seventh most populous county (out of 14) in the state. About half the cases are in one town, Brockton, which is a Boston suburb at the northern end of the county. I’m at the southern end. The remaining cases are distributed widely among the other towns; the second most cases in one town, for the towns that reported a number (a few did not), is 10 in the town of Plymouth (they have the rock), not far from the southern end.

date, number of confirmed cases, factor increase for day, absolute increase for day

3/17 5 <— schools closed
3/18 5 <— early numbers reflect lack of tests available to confirm cases
3/19 data not available
3/20 11
3/21 20
3/22 25
3/23 32
3/24 64 <— nonessential business closures go into effect statewide at noon
3/25 101 1.58 37
3/26 138 1.37 37
3/27 187 1.36 49
3/28 272 1.45 85

Here's the number of confirmed cases by day for nearby Bristol County where my wife works retail in a still-open “essential” business.

3/24 31 <— nonessential business closures go into effect statewide at noon
3/25 67 2.16 36
3/26 90 1.34 23
3/27 129 1.43 39
3/28 179 1.39 50

The vast majority of cases confirmed today (and previously) must have been contracted before the 3/24 shutdown. It won’t be until about 4/1 that we can start looking at newly confirmed cases to tell if the shutdown measures are working to reduce the local R0.

at mean 1.39 increase (last 3 days), the projection for Plymouth County is 1015 cases on 4/1

at mean 1.39 increase (last 3 days), the projection for Bristol County is 668 cases on 4/1
 
And, finally someone is beginning to ask the right questions:



To me, that's the single most important question right now.

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There's some suggestion CCR5.∆32 provides immunity, as with smallpox and HIV.
 
My son who recently returned to Australia from London has just been diagnosed with the virus.

Fortunately he has been in complete isolation since his return.
Ah *****. Sorry to hear that. I hope he's OK.
 
I'm wondering if the projections/predictions are taking into account possible (I said possible for all the goddamn pedantic twits) upticks in other diseases.

Okay so you're a hospital. You have X number of ventilators, let's say to use a common example. If the current trends continue you will have more Covid patients that need ventilators then you have ventilators in Y number of days.

But something as big and far reaching is as this mass quarantine is bound to have secondary and unforeseen consequences. Through some means we have a spike in some totally unrelated health issue Z because of the outbreak or response to the outbreak.

People are staying home, people are avoiding doctors offices, people are making medication they have last longer, medical supplies are running low... it's not crazy to thing this could all cause a secondary medical issue of some kind.

And then the Covid Patients plus the new "Auxiliary Issue Patients" overwhelm your number of ventilators weeks before even the optimistic predictions.
 
With people staying at home, the ventilators are likely to be less of a problem than other medical emergencies.

No transplants taking place will create a harvest of corpses, and if you need a stent or heart procedure at the height of the outbreak, you're probably not going to get it. Most cancer treatments will suffer, and lots of people will die as a result.

My mate on chemo has already been told he won't get the last dose he's due in 10 days' time, because they'll have to shut the ward he goes to - and we have a total of 13 people in hospital at the moment, including exactly one in ICU.

How do think even simple trouble like a broken leg will be to deal with in NYC or Milan right now?
 
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