The Trump Presidency: Part 20

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Meadmaker said:
For what it's worth, I was very nervous when I saw the auto companies involved with the ventilator crisis. We (the auto companies) just aren't set up for the kind of work that needs to be done on the kind of schedule that needs to be done. We build the same thing over and over and over after we've set up a production line to do it. We're good at that, but setting up that production line takes three years.


Ventilator production? I think you need high volume, labor intensive, assembly. Get some plans. Get some metal benders. Get some soldering irons......a whole lot of soldering irons, and create some plans and employ ten thousand or so people assembling ventilators at shops all over the country. Maybe someone can come up with two trillion dollars to make it happen. Come to think of it, you probably don't even need that much.


And, in the "things that anyone else can see coming" department, are there enough oxygen bottles to use with the ventilators? Oxygen doesn't "just happen", and the supply required will dwarf previous demand. Maybe the task force has a handle on that.
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As a representative of a ventilator manufacturing company said in another thread, why don't you just give us more money?
 
Meadmaker said:
I'm frequently called a Trump apologist on these forums, because I've consistently said that the left was overstating just how awful he was.
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I don't see how that is possible. There may have been some cases where the reaction might have been excessive for that incident alone. But even those instances, when judged in the light of his overall effect on American democracy, rise to the level of at least awful.

I'm interested in what you think has been overstated about Trump. And, by that, I don't mean one isolated example. What about Trump judged as a president has been "overstated"?
 
Fast Eddie B said:
In a tweet, Trump called the female governor of Michigan a childish nickname.

I won’t repeat it here, but it did manage to notch up my levels of despair, disgust and outrage just a bit higher.
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Tis a feature, not a bug. His approval rating will just notch up a point.
 
Aridas said:
Trump claims that he "feels" a lot of things that tend to be wildly wrong in reality. He's a con man, after all, and that honestly should not be forgotten through all this.
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Frank Abagnale, sitting in the left seat of a 707.

Millions of people thought this would all be "justified" and "entertaining" and a "good idea."
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
White House coronavirus coordinator DEBORAH BIRX touts Trump’s response in Q&A yesterday on Christian Broadcasting Network.
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CBN HOST: How would you describe the job President Trump is doing?

Birx: "He's been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data. And I think his ability to analyze and integrate data that comes out of his long history in business is a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues."
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That's White House coronavirus coordinator and fanatical imbiber of vodka and gin DEBORAH BIRX.
 
Kings Full said:
Here's the thing though, Trump has always made everything about him. When he says he 'just felt' something he's almost certainly getting that 'feeling' from advisors.
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That's true if you name Fox News as one of his advisors. That he gets lots of information from Fox is a demonstrable fact.
 
SezMe said:
I don't see how that is possible. There may have been some cases where the reaction might have been excessive for that incident alone. But even those instances, when judged in the light of his overall effect on American democracy, rise to the level of at least awful.

I'm interested in what you think has been overstated about Trump. And, by that, I don't mean one isolated example. What about Trump judged as a president has been "overstated"?
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I stand corrected.

Donald Trump is a truly awful person, and that has been obvious for a very long time.

As for modifying what I said and explaining it more clearly, it's not that important. what matters is the present and the future, not the past. The present is that we are led by a man who is a disgrace to the office. The future is that we really ought to get rid of him.

In between, we will reap what we have sown. The country elected him. We will pay the price.

I just hope he doesn't somehow find a way to blame someone else. Of course he will try.
 
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dmaker said:
Also, great. Today Trump mentioned that Boris Johnson tested positive for coronavirus, but then immediately said " but I am sure he will be totally great".

Er, ok.
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Two more members of BoJo's cabinet are infected. No one, especially Johnson himself, were practicing social distancing. The most ironic of course is Matt Hancock, the health secretary, also infected.
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The government’s chief medical adviser, Chris Whitty, also reported symptoms of the virus and said he was isolating himself. There are fears that other officials who have been in meetings with Mr. Johnson could also have been exposed.
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I think there are 2 more, I'll keep looking for the specifics.
In recent days, other people who work in Downing Street have begun to isolate themselves after displaying symptoms, but no contact tracing is taking place, officials said.
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I'm waiting for the 'it doesn't apply to us we're too rich' people around Trump to start coming down with it.
 
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D. Trump, statesman:
Appearing at the daily White House briefing, Trump disclosed that he has told Vice President Pence, who is leading the coronavirus task force, not to call the governors of Michigan and Washington state because those governors had been critical of Trump and the federal response.

“When they’re not appreciative to me, they’re not appreciative to the Army Corps, they’re not appreciative to FEMA, it’s not right,” Trump said.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...vances-factor-into-his-coronavirus-decisions/
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

General Motors MUST immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown plant in Ohio, or some other plant, and START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!! FORD, GET GOING ON VENTILATORS, FAST!!!!!! @GeneralMotors @Ford

As usual with “this” General Motors, things just never seem to work out. They said they were going to give us 40,000 much needed Ventilators, “very quickly”. Now they are saying it will only be 6000, in late April, and they want top dollar. Always a mess with Mary B. Invoke “P”.
Invoke “P” means Defense Production Act!
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Could he explain what this tweet means? Mary B?
 
Meadmaker said:
I stand corrected.

Donald Trump is a truly awful person, and that has been obvious for a very long time.
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This is what I do not understand. I am hardly a liberal, nor completely a conservative, but I am also not a fence sitter. When I saw that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee, I thought "Surely not."

A few days before the election, I got a distinct vibe and shuddered. "Holy ****."

And it happened, the most unqualified, undignified public failure was now the most powerful person in the world. To quote Warren Zevon "Dad, get me out of this."

There was no getting out of this and four years later, we are facing the biggest crisis since WWII, and with no compass bearing, this idiot is steering the ship of state wherever his ample gut desires; there is no one in his cabinet, among his advisors, or his Covid-19 team that will correct his course. The worst president I've experienced in 62 years on this planet, in the worst crisis I've experienced, is making decisions based not on empirical data, but on whatever nonsense a staff sycophant assented in agreement. We are truly ******.

Is Donald Trump truly an awful person? To paraphrase Penn Jillette: "No, he's much worse."
 
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slyjoe said:
May be mixing up oaths here. You quoted part of the military oath, not the one politicians take. Just a nit.
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Even if the military oath is referenced, the UCMJ requires soldiers to disobey illegal orders and a case can be made for when those orders are obviously given by an incompetent leader.

Trump is a real-life Captain Queeg. Any soldier or politician who relieved him would be a hero.
 
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