The Trump Presidency: Part 20

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General Motors MUST immediately open their stupidly abandoned Lordstown plant in Ohio, or some other plant, and START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!! FORD, GET GOING ON VENTILATORS, FAST!!!!!! @GeneralMotors @Ford

As usual with “this” General Motors, things just never seem to work out. They said they were going to give us 40,000 much needed Ventilators, “very quickly”. Now they are saying it will only be 6000, in late April, and they want top dollar. Always a mess with Mary B. Invoke “P”.
Invoke “P” means Defense Production Act!


This is classic Trump.

He makes a couple of phone calls, and declares victory. "Hey, we have the problem solved, our great car companies are working on it! #MAGA!!!"

He doesn't say, "They promised us 40,000 ventilators by April 10." He doesn't say, "They promised a prototype by April 1, with 2000 per day by April 7." He doesn't say that because he never worked out those details. Now, he gets the real answers, realizes it isn't good enough, and starts pointing fingers.

It's a pity my life could depend on him doing a good job.


#ResignYouIdiot!
 
Estimate about 1 in a hundred infected persons will need to be placed on ventilators:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/us/coronavirus-deaths-estimate.html


From that link:
Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.

And, the calculations based on the C.D.C.’s scenarios suggested, 2.4 million to 21 million people in the United States could require hospitalization, potentially crushing the nation’s medical system, which has only about 925,000 staffed hospital beds. Fewer than a tenth of those are for people who are critically ill.
 
For what it's worth, I was very nervous when I saw the auto companies involved with the ventilator crisis. We (the auto companies) just aren't set up for the kind of work that needs to be done on the kind of schedule that needs to be done. We build the same thing over and over and over after we've set up a production line to do it. We're good at that, but setting up that production line takes three years.


Ventilator production? I think you need high volume, labor intensive, assembly. Get some plans. Get some metal benders. Get some soldering irons......a whole lot of soldering irons, and create some plans and employ ten thousand or so people assembling ventilators at shops all over the country. Maybe someone can come up with two trillion dollars to make it happen. Come to think of it, you probably don't even need that much.


And, in the "things that anyone else can see coming" department, are there enough oxygen bottles to use with the ventilators? Oxygen doesn't "just happen", and the supply required will dwarf previous demand. Maybe the task force has a handle on that.
 
Trump Tweets

Thank you Byron. Many polls are much better than this. If it is the Fake News @washingtonpost, add 10 points!
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Byron York
@ByronYork
New Washington Post poll: Trump job approval 48 percent disapproval 46 percent. Highest approval, lowest disapproval in Trump presidency. Also first time not underwater. http://ow.ly/Ipae50yXmpb

Oh, wow wow wow wow!!!11!! No longer under water!!

After 3 years and a bit, finally clawing up to a marginal approve : disapprove ratio, but still below 50%, is worth crowing about?!?

I guess that's winning in the good ol' USA these days...
 
Maybe the task force has a handle on that.

To elaborate:

One of the things that Trump just doesn't get is a communication style that actually sells his competency to the masses. In other words, what ought to be happening at some of these briefings is someone needs to present at a significant level of detail something that the task force is doing, with a timeline and a result, saying that by this day we will have this much.

This is really important in order to convince people that they don't need to run off and make contingency plans.

Trump's style is more like, "Don't you worry. I got this." He doesn't seem to realize that even among his friends, there's a lot of skepticism, and that only positive results will lower that skepticism. Complaining about Mary Barra isn't going to make it, even if his complaints are well grounded. She's not doing a good job for you, or for us? Then why did you hire her for such an important task? The buck really does stop with you, Mr. President.
 
I find it disgusting that there is actually a quibble over the amount of ventilators needed in the first place.

If projections specify that 30k ventilators are required, make the damn things! It's not like they become obsolete, the technology is pretty stable - if there is an unlikely glut in NYC, they will be used in the (very near) future elsewhere.

Far better to have more than necessary than too few, or do we measure human lives in ventilator $$ now?
 
Sounds like Barr sent out a memo suggesting some non-violent inmates do their time at home rather than in prison\jail.

I wish this administration would unify on a message. I'm getting whiplash.
 
I find it disgusting that there is actually a quibble over the amount of ventilators needed in the first place.

If projections specify that 30k ventilators are required, make the damn things! It's not like they become obsolete, the technology is pretty stable - if there is an unlikely glut in NYC, they will be used in the (very near) future elsewhere.

Far better to have more than necessary than too few, or do we measure human lives in ventilator $$ now?

IMO anything to distract from the administration's woeful handling of the Covid-19 crisis.

If it turns out that New York "only" needed 29,500 ventilators rather than 30,000 focus on New York's unreasonable demands rather than the fact that only 3,000 were delivered.
 
I just emailed Governor Cuomo and he said he’d get those numbers over to you just as soon as he can.

FYI, one key feature of medical equipment is that it's usually heavily redundant, specifically because any equipment failure would lead to almost immediate catastrophe. Any count above 10 due to equipment failure would be swamped by the sheer uncertainty of where this equipment might or might not be needed. "Just-in-time" delivery doesn't work well for medical emergencies, when you're trying to coordinate between multiple hospitals across a rather large state - or even a large city.
 
To poke at some of this...

I'm frequently called a Trump apologist on these forums, because I've consistently said that the left was overstating just how awful he was.

Some, maybe. On the other hand, there's also been a heck of a lot of belittling the actual danger to the US that he truly does represent, with the note that while he himself is an immediate danger for a number of reasons, he's in a position to be that danger because of larger and less acute underlying problems. Going further, incredibly different standards are nearly always applied to him compared to even Bush, though, much less Obama.

Personally, I would very greatly prefer that Trump and co actually were doing a good job and have ever been happy to offer praise for actions that I thought objectively warranted it. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of "good" things that he's done or been praised for that have reached me have been a combination of lies (US Steel is opening 6 Steel Plants!), deeply misleading spin (the deficit went down in Trump's first couple days, so things are going in a good direction with that!), empty (how many Kushner committees were/are there?), things that actually are good, but are greatly overshadowed by all the many things that he had done and was doing to make that particular problem worse (Actions related to the opioid crisis, for example), and so on. The very dishonesty involved in so much of that, of course, is a distinct problem itself.

And what's wrong with that? It's a "boy who cried wolf" thing. They've been talking about how awful he is for so long that now they're screaming it again, and people aren't listening.

I can understand this, but... Reality is reality and the "boy who cried wolf" is fundamentally wrong, for most of it. Trump and the GOP have done a decent job at convincing a lot of people who wish that it was the boy crying wolf to believe what they want - in fair part because they tend to be very good at creating simple false equivalences that sell well because reality is complex and understanding things well tends to take very significant additional time and energy. Time and energy that pretty much all people really, really don't have either ability or an interest in sparing for it, especially when Trump and the GOP flood the news space with so very, very much that people would need to spare time for to understand and digest the picture in reality. Trump involved in truly massive tax fraud, for example? That story lasted for what, 2 days? With other instances of his tax frauds maybe lasting a news cycle? This is not normal. This is not okay. We absolutely should not be letting it be treated as okay, which is exactly what is effectively being done.

In this case, he fiddled, not necessarily as America burned, but at the very least as pyre was being built and the match was being lit. He demonstrated incompetence at every turn, and it seems he continues to do so.

To poke at one of those minor things, though... On March 8, Trump literally tweeted a picture of himself fiddling.


Tonight, he expressed that he "just felt" that they wouldn't need so many ventilators.

To Hell with that trash. Since at least the beginning of February, this should have been top on his plate, and by now, he shouldn't be "just feeling" anything. He should know. The fact that he doesn't is a disgrace.
Here's the thing though, Trump has always made everything about him. When he says he 'just felt' something he's almost certainly getting that 'feeling' from advisors.

As they suck up to him and tell him what he makes it perfectly clear that he wants to hear? Trump claims that he "feels" a lot of things that tend to be wildly wrong in reality. He's a con man, after all, and that honestly should not be forgotten through all this.

The rest of that post was already dealt with well enough, so I'll move on.

Ok, and this leads me back to my initial post here that came from the main Covid-19 thread.

Why is there no criticism of Cuomo? It seems clear from your post, if we're going to accept your numbers, that he and the state of NY were totally blindsided by this pandemic. One that some will tell you was clear for all to see.

If there is blame for Trump's response then there should be an equal amount of blame for Cuomo. Cuomo is responsible for NY's response to this. It was his job to get the necessary equipment. The federal government can and should assist. Assist, not do it all.

That's really my only point.

Mmm. There's reasonable criticism and there's unreasonable criticism. Before going further, though -

But don't say that Trump should have seen this or that he isn't doing anything all while you excuse the state governors for their exact lack of foresight / response.

It looks like you're making a number of major fundamental errors in your base assumptions, given this statement. I will hold back for the moment, though, given that much of it's been covered by others. I will point out simply that decent preparations and plans were in place. So what's gone wrong? Those plans did not account for Trump's idiotic method of "handling" the situation and the Trump Administration's prior extensive sabotage of the response capabilities of the Federal Government and their very slow and chaotic response, though. The US, pre-Trump, was rated as one of the most prepared countries in the world to deal with this kind of thing. Now, it looks like third world countries will likely to be able to cheer themselves up with how much better they are than the US at this.

As an example of how quickly this virus is spreading, New York City, as of last night (03/27) reported 23,000 cases. I attended a business meeting on Friday evening 03/13 in Midtown Manhattan. We considered cancelling the meeting but at that time there were less than 200 cases reported in New York City out of a population around eight million. So the meeting went on and none of us have suffered any ill effects. But in two weeks the numbers have increased one hundredfold. That is truly scary.

This bears repeating, again and again. The numbers, especially the early numbers, are very inaccurate because of how FUBAR the testing situation has been. Only 200 cases? How many tests were even available and processed in the wildly inefficient way that the CDC's employing? I'm hearing that test results now have been taking a week to process in some cases, for example. Hopefully, the increases in testing production is catching up - but we don't truly know. That's how bad the situation is, right now. A week or two ago, I saw an estimate from a lab that testing production would likely take 8 more weeks before it was in a good place for the US and I'm guessing that that doesn't take into account the shortages in several necessary components, much as those will hopefully be resolved by then.

The incredible (and previously pretty much unthinkable) failure of testing and test production - in large part because of how the Trump Administration completely bungled it - is probably the single biggest failure of this whole mess.

Sooner or later, the rate of infection among cashiers, food handlers, truckers, and production workers at food plants will reach a level where the remaining workers decide it isn't worth the risk to show up to work. The result would be that our problems got a whole lot worse than anything we are dealing with now.

Health workers, too, for that matter, especially if it becomes more commonplace that PPE consists of, for example, wearing trash bags. As has already happened. That's assuming that the pool of health care workers is sufficiently intact, of course.

I don't see how this could possibly go wrong.

I do hope it's inaccurate.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...demic-epa-indefinitely-suspends-environmental

The Trump EPA has been more focused on undermining and destroying protections than enforcing them, regardless, and the political appointees have been working hard to turn it into an agency to help businesses exploit and profit, rather than regulate their activities in the public interest. Also, link not working, but the story's being reported across a variety of outlets, including Fox, by the google.
 
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This is classic Trump.

He makes a couple of phone calls, and declares victory. "Hey, we have the problem solved, our great car companies are working on it! #MAGA!!!"

He doesn't say, "They promised us 40,000 ventilators by April 10." He doesn't say, "They promised a prototype by April 1, with 2000 per day by April 7." He doesn't say that because he never worked out those details. Now, he gets the real answers, realizes it isn't good enough, and starts pointing fingers.

It's a pity my life could depend on him doing a good job.


#ResignYouIdiot!

Tangentially relevant...

Jared Kushner was put in charge of providing ventilators, and he's already blown it
 
Trump Tweets

Never knew John Kerry had such a good sense of humor! Very impressed!
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John Kerry
@JohnKerry
Breaking news: Congressman Massie has tested positive for being an *******. He must be quarantined to prevent the spread of his massive stupidity. He's given new meaning to the term #Masshole. (Finally, something the president and I can agree on!) https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1243534441772974081
 
To poke at some of this...



Some, maybe. On the other hand, there's also been a heck of a lot of belittling the actual danger to the US that he truly does represent, with the note that while he himself is an immediate danger for a number of reasons, he's in a position to be that danger because of larger and less acute underlying problems. Going further, incredibly different standards are nearly always applied to him compared to even Bush, though, much less Obama.

Personally, I would very greatly prefer that Trump and co actually were doing a good job and have ever been happy to offer praise for actions that I thought objectively warranted it. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of "good" things that he's done or been praised for that have reached me have been a combination of lies (US Steel is opening 6 Steel Plants!), deeply misleading spin (the deficit went down in Trump's first couple days, so things are going in a good direction with that!), empty (how many Kushner committees were/are there?), things that actually are good, but are greatly overshadowed by all the many things that he had done and was doing to make that particular problem worse (Actions related to the opioid crisis, for example), and so on. The very dishonesty involved in so much of that, of course, is a distinct problem itself.



I can understand this, but... Reality is reality and the "boy who cried wolf" is fundamentally wrong, for most of it. Trump and the GOP have done a decent job at convincing a lot of people who wish that it was the boy crying wolf to believe what they want - in fair part because they tend to be very good at creating simple false equivalences that sell well because reality is complex and understanding things well tends to take very significant additional time and energy. Time and energy that pretty much all people really, really don't have either ability or an interest in sparing for it, especially when Trump and the GOP flood the news space with so very, very much that people would need to spare time for to understand and digest the picture in reality. Trump involved in truly massive tax fraud, for example? That story lasted for what, 2 days? With other instances of his tax frauds maybe lasting a news cycle? This is not normal. This is not okay. We absolutely should not be letting it be treated as okay, which is exactly what is effectively being done.



To poke at one of those minor things, though... On March 8, Trump literally tweeted a picture of himself fiddling.





As they suck up to him and tell him what he makes it perfectly clear that he wants to hear? Trump claims that he "feels" a lot of things that tend to be wildly wrong in reality. He's a con man, after all, and that honestly should not be forgotten through all this.

The rest of that post was already dealt with well enough, so I'll move on.



Mmm. There's reasonable criticism and there's unreasonable criticism. Before going further, though -



It looks like you're making a number of major fundamental errors in your base assumptions, given this statement. I will hold back for the moment, though, given that much of it's been covered by others. I will point out simply that decent preparations and plans were in place. So what's gone wrong? Those plans did not account for Trump's idiotic method of "handling" the situation and the Trump Administration's prior extensive sabotage of the response capabilities of the Federal Government and their very slow and chaotic response, though. The US, pre-Trump, was rated as one of the most prepared countries in the world to deal with this kind of thing. Now, it looks like third world countries will likely to be able to cheer themselves up with how much better they are than the US at this.



This bears repeating, again and again. The numbers, especially the early numbers, are very inaccurate because of how FUBAR the testing situation has been. Only 200 cases? How many tests were even available and processed in the wildly inefficient way that the CDC's employing? I'm hearing that test results now have been taking a week to process in some cases, for example. Hopefully, the increases in testing production is catching up - but we don't truly know. That's how bad the situation is, right now. A week or two ago, I saw an estimate from a lab that testing production would likely take 8 more weeks before it was in a good place for the US and I'm guessing that that doesn't take into account the shortages in several necessary components, much as those will hopefully be resolved by then.

The incredible (and previously pretty much unthinkable) failure of testing and test production - in large part because of how the Trump Administration completely bungled it - is probably the single biggest failure of this whole mess.



Health workers, too, for that matter, especially if it becomes more commonplace that PPE consists of, for example, wearing trash bags. As has already happened. That's assuming that the pool of health care workers is sufficiently intact, of course.



The Trump EPA has been more focused on undermining and destroying protections than enforcing them, regardless, and the political appointees have been working hard to turn it into an agency to help businesses exploit and profit, rather than regulate their activities in the public interest. Also, link not working, but the story's being reported across a variety of outlets, including Fox, by the google.
Our company just added a $100 bonus for full timers working 36+ hours in a week and overtime is now double base pay.

Apparently too many are using their 80 now thinking we're in the worst of it now or taking a day here and a day there like free extra days off.
 
White House coronavirus coordinator DEBORAH BIRX touts Trump’s response in Q&A yesterday on Christian Broadcasting Network.

CBN HOST: How would you describe the job President Trump is doing?

Birx: "He's been so attentive to the scientific literature and the details and the data. And I think his ability to analyze and integrate data that comes out of his long history in business is a real benefit during these discussions about medical issues."
 
The Democrats are passing the ******* bill. This has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. What the **** is he babbling about?

Trump also sought to target Massie's status as chairman of the conservative House Second Amendment Caucus, writing: "By empowering the Radical Left Democrats, do nothing Kentucky politician @RepThomasMassie is making their War on the 2nd Amendment more and more difficult to win (But don't worry, we will win anyway!). He is a disaster for America, and for the Great State of Kentucky!"
(Politico)
 
Trump Tweets

We have just purchased many Ventilators from some wonderful companies. Names and numbers will be announced later today!

Thousand of Federal Government (delivered) Ventilators found in New York storage. N.Y. must distribute NOW!

Unsurprisingly, that's a lie. Cuomo said these ventilators were not 'found in storage" but are being held in reserve for the expected apex. They will be sent immediately to the hospitals as needed.
 
I will elaborate just a little.

Look at all the things Trump has done in the last three weeks that people who like him are praising. Some of them are indeed praiseworthy. At least, the are good things to do, although I think darned near anyone with simple management skills and experience could have done them, but at least he did them.

Of all of those things, is there any of them that could not have been done six weeks ago?

Is there anything among those things that could not have been foreseen six weeks ago.?
It's worse than that, you are being too generous.

The reason the ball was dropped in this state when the Life Care outbreak began and got out of control:

Public health, dealing with a severe shortage of the test kits needed to diagnose COVID, told us (providers) to only test the sickest people.

In addition we were told only to test people with a known exposure history.

This was in written interim guidelines and it was a national guideline from CDC, not just some local thing. It was Trump admin decisions that left of with a critical shortage of tests. It was the Trump regime that assured people his actions had stopped the import of cases from China. Sure other people could have ignored that, and they didn't. But even then they were hampered to act because of the shortage of tests.

And the Trump regime continually repeated the falsehood only people with symptoms were contagious. They're still repeating it, downplaying the roll of asymptomatic spreaders saying a person is contagious only a very short time before symptom onset.

We discovered the outbreak here when a few cases turned up critically ill in the same ED and an astute doctor defied the guidelines and tested the patient. That exposed a large outbreak festering in Life Care that included half or more of the staff who had had no proper PPE.

Another case turned up in a flu study. No history of exposure.

Turns out it was spreading the this area unrecognized for weeks! It was already out of control.

Finally, health care workers are told it is only droplet spread, not airborne. They're still being told that all over the country and given inadequate PPE which in addition to the shortages of N95 masks is causing health care workers to get infected all over the country and some are dying. We rely on CDC Interim guidelines in cases like this.

Trump's pushing for his agenda and controlling the top level of our CDC's infrastructure in addition to the lack of test kits influenced those interim guidelines.
So listen up Trump apologists and people claiming the states didn't act, it's therefore state governors' fault: **** you.
 
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I'm frequently called a Trump apologist on these forums, because I've consistently said that the left was overstating just how awful he was.

And what's wrong with that? It's a "boy who cried wolf" thing. They've been talking about how awful he is for so long that now they're screaming it again, and people aren't listening.

But this time? He really is awful. Not just a little bit awful, and not on some trivial nonsense about whether he really meant that off the cuff remark that he said at the press conference.

In this case, he fiddled, not necessarily as America burned, but at the very least as pyre was being built and the match was being lit. He demonstrated incompetence at every turn, and it seems he continues to do so.

Tonight, he expressed that he "just felt" that they wouldn't need so many ventilators.

To Hell with that trash. Since at least the beginning of February, this should have been top on his plate, and by now, he shouldn't be "just feeling" anything. He should know. The fact that he doesn't is a disgrace.
To be fair, we were crying wolf because there was a wolf. It's just that fewer people cared until the crisis was too big to ignore.

When this is over, go back and look at all the wolf crying that was more valid than you had maybe realized.

FWIW: I know you live on the right side of the aisle, but I've never felt you were in the Trump apologist crowd.
 
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