2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 2

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Hey SG, maybe you know: How many of the general public test positive already, and always have?
Current tests are looking for the virus, not past infection.

And the antibody tests that are being used are not picking up cross exposures AFAIK but sensitivity and specificity of those tests are not yet published.
 
Just found out Trump's doctor is not a MD but an Osteopath. Why am I not reassured to find out that the POTUS is a beleiver in woo medicine over science based medicine?
 
Thats why I'm asking here. Ive always used alcohol. Google search is nearly useless for so many subjects now that they have switched to obfuscation for non sponsored items. Google comes up with vinegar and listerine mostly
 
The thing about vaccines is that you give them to healthy people. Therefore safety studies are even more important than for a drug used for already sick people, such as in chemotherapy. Although I can see a lower threshold required for a vaccine against an epidemic the idea of distributing any vaccine soon without major testing for effectiveness and safety is crap. Measuring effectiveness in particular in humans takes a long, big study. If you hear of a vaccine ready or almost so someone is scamming you.
 
Again, do you have evidence for that? I know a UK crowd is about to start human trials, but a best-case scenario would see it going into use in about 6 months.

I believe Ivor means the virus itself is the UK government’s vaccine. It just kills a lot of people along the way and makes them sick.
 
Just found out Trump's doctor is not a MD but an Osteopath. Why am I not reassured to find out that the POTUS is a beleiver in woo medicine over science based medicine?

Osteopaths are not “woo”.

From Wikipedia:

Osteopathic medicine is a branch of the medical profession in the United States. Osteopathic physicians (DOs) are licensed to practice medicine and surgery in all 50 states and are recognized to varying degrees in 85 other countries.
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In modern medicine, any distinction between the MD and the DO professions has eroded steadily. Diminishing numbers of DO graduates enter primary care fields,[3] fewer use osteopathic manipulative treatment (OMT), and increasing numbers of osteopathic graduates choose to train in non-osteopathic residency programs.[4][5][6] An osteopathic physician (DO) is a fully licensed, patient-centered physician. DO has full medical practice rights throughout the United States and in 44 countries abroad.[7]
 
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Holy crap! He does have an osteopath for a doctor.

Ridiculous!

Conley was born in Doylestown, Pennsylvania. He graduated from Central Bucks High School East,[2] and received his bachelor's degree from the University of Notre Dame in 2002.[3][4]

Conley received his Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine degree from the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine in 2006.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Conley
 
Still in denial, are we?

Well yeah. As well as denial re: Sars, Ebola, West Nile, Zika, ..... anthrax. Remember anthrax and duct tape your house? Good thing I can use all that duct tape for toilet paper.
 
Just found out Trump's doctor is not a MD but an Osteopath. Why am I not reassured to find out that the POTUS is a beleiver in woo medicine over science based medicine?

Holy crap! He does have an osteopath for a doctor.

Ridiculous!



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Conley

DOs in the US are generally equivalent to MDs. They had woo-y roots, but they aren't like chiros or naturopaths.

If you want to become a physician in the United States, you have two educational routes available to you: osteopathic and vanilla medical schools. Osteopathic medical school graduates earn a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (D.O) degree, and vanilla medical school graduates earn a Doctor of Medicine (M.D) degree. If you’re wondering what the difference is between the two, the answer is basically nothing. Students at osteopathic medical schools must take the COMLEX series of board exams, and can optionally take the USMLE series of board exams which are important for the residency matching process. Students at DO schools also receive 200 hours or more of training in osteopathic manipulative medicine (OMM). Outside of those things, there’s no difference between MD and DO schools. The research has shown that there is no difference between physicians with an MD or DO degree in the quality of care provided, approach to patient encounters, or clinical decision-making despite what the American Osteopathic Association’s marketing would have you believe.

Linky.

I would like to preface this post by stating that I have worked with many DOs (Doctors of Osteopathy), and I have helped train many pediatric residents with DO degrees. I have found no difference in the overall quality of the training these students have received, and some of the very best clinicians I have ever worked with have been DOs. I would never prejudice my assessment or opinion of a physician based on whether they have an MD or a DO after their name.

Linky.
 
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Claims are cheap - got any evidence?
https://globalnews.ca/news/6671901/coronavirus-canadian-company-covid-19-vaccine-candidate/


Again, do you have evidence for that? I know a UK crowd is about to start human trials, but a best-case scenario would see it going into use in about 6 months.
He was just teasing. That's the so called "strategy" of just letting it run its course and the UK developing "herd immunity"


Of course any real vaccine is many months away simply because of testing for side effects. So any vaccine right now could only be termed "candidate" until approved by the local regulatory body
 
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