2019-nCoV / Corona virus Pt 2

[quadraginta]

Yesterday Duke University was planning to extend spring break.

Today they are telling all their students to leave campus.

We have no reported cases in Durham county yet. 17 in the state reported as of this morning.

 

[William Parcher]

Daily Mail has pictures of Spring Break in Miami. The beach is packed with kids in swimsuits.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

The biggest problem is that the self imposed quarantine is effectively useless unless those people can be tested.

Why? Do you believe the British experts have not considered this factor?

 

[ceptimus]

The biggest problem is that the self imposed quarantine is effectively useless unless those people can be tested.

Why?

Self-imposed quarantine is always a good idea when you have any infectious disease. If you get a fever and/or a cough over the next few months WITHOUT a runny nose, then you're most likely infected with COVID-19. Even if you've caught some other bug that gives similar symptoms, the quarantine is still a good idea.

It's a shame that no test is available yet (as far as I know) that tests if a person has recovered from COVID-19. Such a test will become increasingly useful as more people recover from illness without having been tested. If you know that you are now immune to reinfection (and won't be potentially infecting others) then you can go about your business, go on holiday, visit sick friends in hospital, and so on, without any fear.

 

[xjx388]

Daily Mail has pictures of Spring Break in Miami. The beach is packed with kids in swimsuits.

At least the Mayor of Miami tried to stop it by making a "Spring Break is Over" announcement. The Mayor of South Padre Island did the complete opposite. I realize that, as Miami shows, you can't actually stop people from going but dang, I thought they should have made a statement urging people to avoid it this year. Too big of an economic hit, I guess.

 

[dudalb]

China launching a major propgaganda campaign that the US Military is responsible for the Corona 19 VIrus"

https://thehill.com/policy/internat...acy-theory-us-army-bringing-coronavirus-wuhan

IMHO, Stephan King should sue for plagiarism...

 

[The Atheist]

Yeah, and apparently the wife of Trudeau is one of only 158 who have it in Canada.

Yeah, bollocks!

It just doesn't add up, yet the testing schedule in SK seems to show it isn't around in big numbers.

There are still pieces of the puzzle missing, or not yet understood.

I am sincerely expecting my mother to die from this....

This is going to get very personal for many of us.

I wrote an article last week saying that everyone on the planet will be affected by it.

My M-I-L is 82, has T2 diabetes and can barely walk. She will die if she gets it, and if it's in the middle of an Italy-style outbreak, would be triaged to leave to die.

The problem is, I'm not sure anything can be done to stop it.

One thing I am not sure about and maybe someone here has better info is school closures.
...

I have seen no stories of school centred outbreaks.

How would you know? If kids are hardly sick, outside of SK they won't be getting tested and it won't be until people start clogging hospitals with it that anyone would know it's happening.

It's also the only reason I can think of for Japan's incredibly slow growth in cases.

Japan had its first case of Covid back on 16 January and now has 620, with a case growth rate pretty steady at 10%/day.

Italy had its first on 31 January and now has 17,000 cases and a daily growth rate of 20%+.

Spain had only three cases right up to 24 February, and in the space of 3 weeks has grown to 4,300, with a present growth rate over 30%.

 

[pipelineaudio]

. “There are signs everywhere reminding us to wear masks, wash our hands and use sanitisers,” she said. “There are even some places, like pharmacies, where you cannot enter without wearing a mask. Buying them is also limited to two per person to ensure there’s enough for everyone.”
UK, USA, Australia, most EU countries could have been doing all that now. Instead we sit on our hands waiting for... does anyone know what we are waiting for before we take any actual action?

No we can't we gave all our manufacturing to china so we have had no hand sanitizer for 7 weeks now and certainly no masks for the last 3-4 weeks. You can wash your hands at home but very few restrooms anywhere else

 

[The Atheist]

No we can't we gave all our manufacturing to china so we have had no hand sanitizer for 7 weeks now and certainly no masks for the last 3-4 weeks. You can wash your hands at home but very few restrooms anywhere else

How are things in Hawaii right now?

I've been waiting for you to come out with apocalyptic news, but I haven't seen any.

Going by the demographic, lack of testing, proximity to China and an economy based almost solely on tourism, I would have expected you to be knee-deep in boomer body bags by now.

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

No we can't we gave all our manufacturing to china so we have had no hand sanitizer for 7 weeks now and certainly no masks for the last 3-4 weeks. You can wash your hands at home but very few restrooms anywhere else

OT, but I think important to challenge the above meme. It's certainly heading that way, but a long way off and the loss of manufacturing jobs is not just because of China.

Why are their so few restrooms? I didn't notice a particular shortage when I was in the US last.

 

[Darat]

Why? Do you believe the British experts have not considered this factor?

Because it means if you get another cough you have to self isolate all over again and this can keep repeating. This is not like say chicken pox, with a disease like that you know whether you had it or not, with this disease you may have had a mild version or you may have had a "normal" cough bug. So the second cough you get may be the virus or may not be.

 

[dudalb]

Because it means if you get another cough you have to self isolate all over again and this can keep repeating. This is not like say chicken pox, with a disease like that you know whether you had it or not, with this disease you may have had a mild version or you may have had a "normal" cough bug. So the second cough you get may be the virus or may not be.

How long until people in the UK start painting Red crosses on the doors of those with the Virus.....

 

[pipelineaudio]

How are things in Hawaii right now?

I've been waiting for you to come out with apocalyptic news, but I haven't seen any.

Going by the demographic, lack of testing, proximity to China and an economy based almost solely on tourism, I would have expected you to be knee-deep in boomer body bags by now.

Our governor (the missile button governor) has done everything he could to kill us all, including lying about cases they had since Feb 1 and allowing Cruise ships with known cases to disembark on four islands

Our local culture uses violence and terrorism to fight against science, be it vaccines, food or telescopes

Violence, greed, ghetto culture and thug mentality is a huge problem here even on the worst of days, but so far, so good

Kind of crazy, maybe we've just been lucky so far, but given our constant flow of people with Washington and oregon, we should be seeing a lot soon.

Still allegedly just two cases.

I've been advocating for the last few months to take this opportunity to shut down the DMV and most of city hall and never bring it back, given most of what they do is handled by kom-poo-torz in other states and countries. Right now they are sardine packed boxes full of anti vaxxers. Also hoping to put all fake but required college classes online, not at the physical colleges. The big hula festivals have been cancelled.

We haven't shut our music school yet, but finally the teachers are taking me up on showing them how to do online teaching....So silver lining from the virus there

And no, people won't stop blowing air into each others faces as a greeting. I tell them "you just killed your grandma, take a bow"

 

[pipelineaudio]

OT, but I think important to challenge the above meme. It's certainly heading that way, but a long way off and the loss of manufacturing jobs is not just because of China.

I guess you are right. Giving away our manufacturing of masks, medicine and hand sanitizer, the things that would matter to this particular crisis have been given to china. We still make Goop (maybe?) and chiropractors here

Why are their so few restrooms? I didn't notice a particular shortage when I was in the US last.

Some states are ok, hawaii where I am is particularly bad

 

[Sherkeu]

California- 2 largest school districts will close on-campus learning starting Monday.

(Heard on the radio this morning)
LA and San Diego closing all districts schools through next week, likely next 2 weeks. 750,000 students will be learning from home.

Orange County, which is sandwiched between them (and where I live) is not closing. We are still 'Level 1' and low risk which doesn't call for closure...yet.

With large tourist places and hotels closed, the usual influx of visitors will be greatly reduced over Spring Break holidays. Schools don't all take the same holiday week, but they will all occur over the next month.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Australia shutting down schools and shops, closes borders.
Or maybe it's Austria, hard to tell the difference.

 

[The Atheist]

Still allegedly just two cases.

Thanks for that - I'm sure it's an important piece of the puzzle, because you should really be rivalling Italy in death rate, and while you might have a lot of cases, people aren't dying of it, or that would get noticed.

Also, with a large Polynesian population - and I'm projecting from our Polynesian population here - I imagine health indices for them aren't great and they have a lot of T2 diabetes?

 

[dudalb]

Australia shutting down schools and shops, closes borders.
Or maybe it's Austria, hard to tell the difference.

You mean there's a chance?

 

[Ivor the Engineer]

Because it means if you get another cough you have to self isolate all over again and this can keep repeating. This is not like say chicken pox, with a disease like that you know whether you had it or not, with this disease you may have had a mild version or you may have had a "normal" cough bug. So the second cough you get may be the virus or may not be.

How many coughs or other could be coronavirus symptoms are people going to get as we head into the spring and summer? The average is about 1-3 colds per year for an adult, mostly around the late autumn and winter months.

Probably want to make sure you have your hay fever medication ready to go, but I suspect the peak in coronavirus cases will have passed by the time the hay fever season starts for most people.

I think the unfortunate reality is that there is no realistic strategy that could be implemented that would significantly change the risk to people who need personal care from other people and are particularly vulnerable to the disease.

We want this thing mostly over by autumn so we don't face coronavirus + flu in 2020-2021.

 

[Babbylonian]

Probably want to make sure you have your hay fever medication ready to go, but I suspect the peak in coronavirus cases will have passed by the time the hay fever season starts for most people.

Is there really a good reason to "suspect" that? Spring is on the verge of being sprung and I don't see any reason to think we're even close to the peak of infectious.

Maybe "hope" is a better word?