The Trump Presidency: Part 20

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quadraginta said:
It occurs to me that from an environmental perspective an aircraft carrier is just as much of a giant petri dish filled with thousands of people as any cruise ship.
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Not sure if that is a good comparison.

True, an aircraft carrier has a lot of people living in close quarters, which increases the chance of disease transmission. But, i suspect sailors do not have as much contact with people outside the military. (Compare that with cruise ships, which often doc in multiple ports during a trip.)
 
I still have ears in the fleet. Nothing official but the word is already coming down to at least be ready to stay out for a while if you're already out.

Not that weird. "Just stay out to sea" is the Navy's answer to everything.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

The Federal Reserve must FINALLY lower the Fed Rate to something comparable to their competitor Central Banks. Jay Powell and group are putting us at a decided economic & physiological disadvantage. Should never have been this way. Also, STIMULATE!
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Does he think that the interest rates are making us physically sick? COVID-19 is the Federal Reserve's fault?
 
Armitage72 said:
Does he think that the interest rates are making us physically sick? COVID-19 is the Federal Reserve's fault?
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Autocorrect in action. He can't spell "psychological". I'm surprised he got close enough to something autocorrect could recognize as a real word: he at least knew it starts with a P.
 
Segnosaur said:
Not sure if that is a good comparison.

True, an aircraft carrier has a lot of people living in close quarters, which increases the chance of disease transmission. But, i suspect sailors do not have as much contact with people outside the military. (Compare that with cruise ships, which often doc in multiple ports during a trip.)
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Sure. Not much contact.

But it only takes one. I don't think those ships are completely isolated from all human contact with everything not aboard before the virus broke out.

I understand that their chances of infection are less than a cruise ship. That doesn't take much brainpower to figure out.

My question was what if they get infected? How will their response be different? What can they do to alleviate or mitigate the problem and still remain combat effective?

And while I understand that their chances are less, perhaps even considerably less, they are still non-zero. Once the virus is present an aircraft carrier still remains a giant petri dish full of thousands of people.
 
quadraginta said:
Sure. Not much contact.

But it only takes one. I don't think those ships are completely isolated from all human contact with everything not aboard before the virus broke out.

I understand that their chances of infection are less than a cruise ship. That doesn't take much brainpower to figure out.

My question was what if they get infected? How will their response be different? What can they do to alleviate or mitigate the problem and still remain combat effective?

And while I understand that their chances are less, perhaps even considerably less, they are still non-zero. Once the virus is present an aircraft carrier still remains a giant petri dish full of thousands of people.
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That is a reasonable question, but one that I doubt most here could answer. On the other hand I credit naval command with being fairly intelligent, and they have had a couple of months to ponder this. I suspect there is a plan in place to deal with that scenario to the best of their ability. (As long as their Commander in Chief does not try to get involved)
 
Armitage72 said:
Does he think that the interest rates are making us physically sick? COVID-19 is the Federal Reserve's fault?
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Yes, because the only thing that matters to him is money. He requires constant injections of liquefied cash, and the lower the interest rates the more effective the injections.
 
Trump's obsession with the Fed isn't the strangest thing, though. At least there are theories to indicate they can provide a temporary boost to the markets.

It's his obsession with cutting or eliminating payroll taxes that's truly insane. What good is more money in a paycheck going to do someone who's sick? What good is it going to do someone who's scared of getting sick? What good is it going to do someone who isn't getting a paycheck at all because their business is temporarily closed in an effort to prevent disease transmission?

Again, it's clear that he thinks money cures all that ails us.
 
Babbylonian said:
It's his obsession with cutting or eliminating payroll taxes that's truly insane. What good is more money in a paycheck going to do someone who's sick? What good is it going to do someone who's scared of getting sick? What good is it going to do someone who isn't getting a paycheck at all because their business is temporarily closed in an effort to prevent disease transmission?
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You have to remember, this is a guy who has never had a "job" as we would understand it. One where your paycheck was tied directly to your performance, and hours worked. His dad was "paying him a salary" of $200,000/yr when he was a toddler, for crying out loud. He's never in his entire life had to wonder if he was going to get paid that week, or how much he would get paid, or if it would cover his rent. He fundamentally doesn't understand anything about the lives of people who have worked regular jobs like this.

To him, money is essentially magic. It's magically appeared to him whenever he's needed it, without fail. First his Dad, then American banks, now Russian banks. He sticks out his hand and it fills with cash. He thinks that's how it works for everyone.
 
Steve said:
That is a reasonable question, but one that I doubt most here could answer. On the other hand I credit naval command with being fairly intelligent, and they have had a couple of months to ponder this. I suspect there is a plan in place to deal with that scenario to the best of their ability. (As long as their Commander in Chief does not try to get involved)
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I would be very surprised if "keep X% of our forces completely out of contact at any given time to blunt the effect of biological attacks" hasn't been standard naval practice since the Cold War.
 
Babbylonian said:
Trump's obsession with the Fed isn't the strangest thing, though. At least there are theories to indicate they can provide a temporary boost to the markets.

It's his obsession with cutting or eliminating payroll taxes that's truly insane. What good is more money in a paycheck going to do someone who's sick? What good is it going to do someone who's scared of getting sick? What good is it going to do someone who isn't getting a paycheck at all because their business is temporarily closed in an effort to prevent disease transmission?

Again, it's clear that he thinks money cures all that ails us.
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The only thing he is concerned about is what the Dow Jones number is. If it stays low he cannot claim to have the "greatest economy in the history of economies", all else is moot.
 
quadraginta said:
Sure. Not much contact.

But it only takes one. I don't think those ships are completely isolated from all human contact with everything not aboard before the virus broke out.

I understand that their chances of infection are less than a cruise ship. That doesn't take much brainpower to figure out.

My question was what if they get infected? How will their response be different? What can they do to alleviate or mitigate the problem and still remain combat effective?

And while I understand that their chances are less, perhaps even considerably less, they are still non-zero. Once the virus is present an aircraft carrier still remains a giant petri dish full of thousands of people.
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On the Beach Aircraft Carrier at theaters soon when the quarantine is lifted if any theaters are still in business.
 
Tero said:
Trump is doing at 3 PM the thing he should have done weeks ago. Just that, not fireside chats about payroll taxes, would have made him look better.
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THis is like announcing a state war of exists between the US and Japan on December 30,1941
 
Look the testing news is fantastic news (obviously still needs to happen) but why did Pence have to lick Trump's arse so much, sadly I think it goes beyond being a toady to him it is knowing unless Trump is being praised and made to think it is all about him Trump wont do anything.
 
It's the usual go-round-the-table garden praising incompetrump fest. Complete with Trump saying how fantastic his response has been and everyone doesn't really need testing.
 
Darat said:
Look the testing news is fantastic news (obviously still needs to happen) but why did Pence have to lick Trump's arse so much, sadly I think it goes beyond being a toady to him it is knowing unless Trump is being praised and made to think it is all about him Trump wont do anything.
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It's a toss-up IMO, I think Pence really does worship incompetrump and Pence buys into the apology reasoning.
 
Incompetrump has moved on to blaming the Democrats for not passing GOP bills.

He's denying any responsibility for the failure to test.

Fauci acted as apologist-in-chief saying it was a system failure.

Trump outright lied about the response to the 2009 New Variant flu. Not the first time he's told this lie.
 
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The mind boggles at the fact that a third or more of a nation could convince themselves that a Trump would be a good leader of 320 million souls. They excuse behavior they would scarce countenance from their child's teacher, their family doctor, the town mayor, a cop, a soldier, the pimple-faced burger flipper serving them, their child.

Why the insane jettisoning of all standards of good behavior (let alone competence) to demand of one holding the most powerful and important post in the land? It truly must result from some existential nihilism. A collective biting off of the nose to spite the face.

It's the populace that engenders more fear for me. A credulous, poorly educated, religion-infected, xenophobic basket of deplorables. That's precisely what keeps Trump and the GOP in business. If that noisesome base were ever to erode upon the perceiving of their misguided and self-defeating loyalties, this miserable cabal of grifters at the top would be sent packing.

If a religious mindset in America were to extract a meaningful and positive end, it would be the conclusion that Covid-19 is God's revelation of the malign incompetence of the un-Christian heathen evangelicals hoisted to power, and his wrath over so-called Christians hewing to a man who would dare to say he has nothing to ask forgiveness for--that he is in effect without sin.
 
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