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BobTheCoward said:
Then let me me clarify.

Having sex with a social transitioned woman is not like having sex with a male. Some it will, some it won't.

As a matter of reality, having sex with a woman is not like how you would have sex with all women.
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Just for clarity, give me a couple of examples of how I could tell if the person I am having sex with is a socially transitioned woman or not.
 
Elagabalus said:
You never googled futanari, did you?*

*Put your browser in private mode. NSFW etc.
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Haha! The Japanese certainly have a few strange fetishes.

Excellent advice on the NSFW. Or almost anywhere else.
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Meanwhile, a good take on transwomen in strength sports as Laurel Hubbard is on the verge of qualifying for the Olympics. https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opini...nclude-trans-weight-lifter-in-womens-category

Utterly absurd. It certainly makes me hope for them to be called off.

I think Japan has had a cancellation in the past...
 
Detransitioning stories

Thought about starting a new thread to discuss this, but I'll just put it here.

Came across this rather long story via the BBC about two young women in a relationship. Both went through a period of identifying as trans men, and taking hormones, etc. It didn't really 'work' for either of them though.

Ellie and Nele: From she to he - and back to she again

Nele could see only two options - transition or suicide. She sought help from a transgender support organisation. They sent her to a therapist.

"When I arrived, I was like, 'Yeah, I think I might be trans.' And he directly used male pronouns for me. He said it was so clear I'm transgender - that he's never been as sure with anyone else."

Within three months, Nele was prescribed testosterone.

Ellie too became determined to access male hormones - in her case when she was just 16.

"I watched some YouTube videos of trans guys who take testosterone, and they go from this shy lesbian to a handsome guy who is super-popular. I liked thinking of myself having that possibility - it felt like I should have a male body."

But being so young, she needed parental approval for any medical intervention. The first doctor she visited with her parents said Ellie should wait - she thought that was transphobic and found another medic who was positive about her desire to transition.

"He told my parents that all the effects were reversible - which is the biggest lie. I had done my research, and I knew that this doctor could not be trusted. But I was just so happy that he said that, because then my parents were OK with it."
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There's also this case in the UK:
NHS gender clinic 'should have challenged me more' over transition
She was referred to the Tavistock GIDS clinic at the age of 16. She said after three one-hour-long appointments she was prescribed puberty blockers, which delay the development of signs of puberty, like periods or facial hair.

She felt there wasn't enough investigation or therapy before she reached that stage.

"I should have been challenged on the proposals or the claims that I was making for myself," she said. "And I think that would have made a big difference as well. If I was just challenged on the things I was saying."

A year after starting the puberty-blockers she said she was prescribed the male hormone testosterone, which developed male characteristics like facial hair and a deep voice. Three years ago, she had an operation to remove her breasts.

"Initially I felt very relieved and happy about things, but I think as the years go on you start to feel less and less enthusiastic or even happy about things.

"You can continue and dig yourself deeper into this hole or you can choose to come out of it and have the weight lifted off your shoulders."
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BobTheCoward said:
What were you talking about?
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The act of sex.

Look, if you lose track of a conversation, that's fine. Nobody has an obligation to continue a discussion they are no longer interested in. But if that's the case, then drop it completely. If you want to continue it, then you do have an obligation to actually know what that conversation is about.
 
Ziggurat said:
The act of sex.

Look, if you lose track of a conversation, that's fine. Nobody has an obligation to continue a discussion they are no longer interested in. But if that's the case, then drop it completely. If you want to continue it, then you do have an obligation to actually know what that conversation is about.
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Oh yeah. I have sex with a person. I don't know what you are doing where you have sex with a penis or a vagina.
 
I made a good point about orientation and bigotry not being the same thing, and I'd stand by it, but I've decided that it's all been said and no one cares and I don't want to get on the wrong side of anyone in this thread since emotions are running high. Therefore, nevermind. Deleted.
 
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isissxn said:
I made a good point about orientation and bigotry not being the same thing
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They are the same thing, when radical activists need it to be. Just like gender switches between being inherent and being a social constructs, depending on the political objective of the moment. None of it has to make sense.

Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
 
isissxn said:
I made a good point about orientation and bigotry not being the same thing, and I'd stand by it, but I've decided that it's all been said and no one cares and I don't want to get on the wrong side of anyone in this thread since emotions are running high. Therefore, nevermind. Deleted.
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Anyone who doesn't get that point isn't just wrong, they're zealots.
 
Ziggurat said:
They are the same thing, when radical activists need it to be. Just like gender switches between being inherent and being a social constructs, depending on the political objective of the moment. None of it has to make sense.
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Interesting point, I'd never thought of it that way and it goes a long way to explaining why I've never been able to get an answer to the question...

If gender is just a social construct, why be trans ?
 
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