Biden for President?

[Bob001]

"We can not win this election. We can only re-elect Donald Trump.”

-- Joe Biden

It sounds from the video like he was trying to express a thought along the lines of "If Democrats don't put aside our differences and work together, we will only re-elect Donald Trump." He obviously fumbled some words in the moment, but not cause for alarm yet.

 

[Shadowdweller]

Money from billionaires who are scared of Sanders putting the interests of American workers before theirs.

Lack of connections and/or public familiarity factored into it as well, I'm sure. I'd personally have voted for ANY of the others (with the possible exceptions of Bloombergy and Steyer) before Biden - Bennet, Booker, Buttigieg, Harris, Klobuchar, Warren, Sanders, even Gabbard.

Of course, I'll still support and even campaign for Biden if it comes down to a match between him and Trump.

 

[Sideroxylon]

It sounds from the video like he was trying to express a thought along the lines of "If Democrats don't put aside our differences and work together, we will only re-elect Donald Trump." He obviously fumbled some words in the moment, but not cause for alarm yet.

Maybe talking heads on CNN can fill this role of turning word salad into some kind of sense just like Fox does for Trump?

 

[Stacyhs]

I seriously believe it wouldn't matter to them whether he was compos mentis or not. He could be a drooling vegetable and they'd endorse him just to preserve party unity. The only alternative is Sanders and his socialism.

I don't think you really do believe that. You can't explain away their endorsements without admitting they don't think Biden has dementia so you go for the absurd.

Look at how many people knowingly endorsed Trump.

No one was accusing Trump of having dementia. Of being a bully, a liar, a narcissist? Yes. But not of being non compos mentis.

 

[xjx388]

You guys just better hope Dr Lee, et al, come out and clear Biden. Didn’t she say her new organization would be vetting candidates in the future? They seem pretty quiet so far.

OR: Maybe we can agree that speculation about mental illness in political candidates a professional has never met is, perhaps, medically inappropriate, unethical and prone to problems with bias?

 

[Stacyhs]

What of Reagan’s second run and term?

Would you like to present evidence that Reagan was exhibiting signs of Alzheimer's during his second run for office in 1984? He wasn't diagnosed with the disease until 1993, nine years later.

Even if we assume that he may have been showing some symptoms during the last year of his presidency, it would likely have been seen as just the typical effects of him aging. Also, remember that he was already the POTUS and he would have had to be removed through the 25 Amendment which requires him be 'unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office'. He would have to be displaying more than just the gaffes that Biden does to reach that standard.

Let's next assume that he became worse towards the very end of his term. Was it bad enough to actually remove him or just let the VP handle things behind the scene and let a very popular president retire with grace?

What you are suggesting is that all those endorsing ex-candidates are conspiring to PUT INTO the presidency a man already with dementia.

If you cannot see just how absurd that is, then I can't help you.

 

[TragicMonkey]

No one was accusing Trump of having dementia. Of being a bully, a liar, a narcissist? Yes. But not of being non compos mentis.

I was. I think Trump's madder than a loon, and getting worse every day.

 

[Tero]

Good thing Trump, never firing on all cylinders, was president first. Reminds me of Daddy Bush talking. But others will not remember this. So Trump talking in disjointed words and phrases will prepare us. We will barely notice the change to slghtly demented Biden.

 

[Bob001]

Good thing Trump, never firing on all cylinders, was president first. Reminds me of Daddy Bush talking.
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More so the younger Bush. He often went off on tangents where it looked like he was moving to another thought before he finished the first one. People might have thought he was dumber than he was, but nobody thought he was senile.

 

[Stacyhs]

I never said it was coming from Russia; I merely wondered as the memo presents itself as being an official campaign communique but the Sanders campaign had disavowed it. So if the Sanders campaign isn't behind it, who is?

Do you want to claim that Russia isn't engaging in a misinformation campaign directed at the election? If you aren't, then why isn't it quite possible that this is part of that campaign? As we already know, Russia was behind the Crowdstrike DNC server-Ukraine hoax.

The videos of Biden are real but if you talk about his odd behaviour you are engaging in a Russian misinformation campaign.

I see the problem now: you have a reading comprehension problem.

I most certainly never said, nor implied, that "if you talk about his odd behaviour you are engaging in a Russian misinformation campaign."

What part of "I never said it was coming from Russia," are you not understanding? What is confusing you about "why isn't it quite possible that this is part of that campaign"?

Does the Sanders campaign deny they sent out this memo? Yes or no?

Do you accept that there is a Russian misinformation campaign? Yes or no?

If you answer 'yes' to both these questions, then can you deny that it is a possibility that Russia is behind the memo?

 

[Stacyhs]

Or you could just vote for the lucid guy who wants a fairer America for everyone.

There is the source of your problem. You want Sanders to win. Fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But in your zeal for Sanders, you willingly embrace and repeat the unsubstantiated 'Biden has dementia' rumor because it fits your bias.

 

[Sideroxylon]

There is the source of your problem. You want Sanders to win. Fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But in your zeal for Sanders, you willingly embrace and repeat the unsubstantiated 'Biden has dementia' rumor because it fits your bias.

Would the irony of calling the pointing out of Biden’s obvious flakey behaviour “fake news” cause an overload?

 

[Stacyhs]

The videos of Biden are real but if you talk about his odd behaviour you are engaging in a Russian misinformation campaign.

Or you could just vote for the lucid guy who wants a fairer America for everyone.

Well fortunately Biden isn’t president. America is in its first stage of weeding out flakes. It is bizarre that he is being touted here as the best DP candidate. It’s crazy.

Trump as the more experienced fool will destroy Biden.

Money from billionaires who are scared of Sanders putting the interests of American workers before theirs.

Maybe talking heads on CNN can fill this role of turning word salad into some kind of sense just like Fox does for Trump?

You have no idea that you have lost all objectivity and only see things through your own bias, do you?

Let me ask you this: if Biden does become the nominee, will you vote for him?

 

[Stacyhs]

I was. I think Trump's madder than a loon, and getting worse every day.

We were talking about those who endorsed Trump.

 

[Stacyhs]

Would the irony of calling the pointing out of Biden’s obvious flakey behaviour “fake news” cause an overload?

Would you care to actually present some evidence of Biden having dementia?

Your repeated say so doesn't rise to that level.

 

[Sideroxylon]

You have no idea that you have lost all objectivity and only see things through your own bias, do you?

Let me ask you this: if Biden does become the nominee, will you vote for him?

I can’t vote for Biden because I’m Russian.

 

[Delvo]

1992? 1996? 2008? 2012?

Yes, campaign slogans like "A vote for me is a vote for change!" and then "Hope & change!" plus even "My Presidency will be remembered as the time when everything in the whole world started getting better because of all my change!" can work, even when they come from someone who won't end up following through on them.

This is evidence that Biden could win the general election if he were to campaign on the same pretense at progressiveness that those guys did. But he isn't. His pretense at being like Bernie is limited to making up stories for his past, not campaigning as if he were progressive now.

Are those all actual quotes?

The first two are word for word, and the third is boiled down from of a list of ways that Obama claimed his Presidency would be remembered as improving a list of things about the world (which famously included even the rising ocean settling back down).

But for the sake of discussion, let's go with a pretend-world where those didn't happen, or even where I can seriously believe anybody who was around somehow missed them even though they were so thoroughly everywhere they became cliché (especially when MTV played one of them between its own catchphrases about a "music revolution")... How would that help the case for those who claim that a Democrat can't win unless (s)he essentially acts enough like a Republican and a progressive is sure to lose? Even granting this alternative scenario, you'd still have a world where only one approach, the "try to look & sound enough like a Republican" approach, has ever been tried, and it's worked sometimes and failed sometimes, but then there'd still be no progressive examples on which to base the claim that that couldn't have worked if it had been tried.

What you are suggesting is that all those endorsing ex-candidates are conspiring to PUT INTO the presidency a man already with dementia.

Yes.

...Either because they somehow buy into the above myth that only a republican in Democrats' clothing can win, or because they're just as much a part of standard Washington bribe-taking corruption as so many others are so they don't want us to elect somebody who might actually do something about it.

 

[Stacyhs]

I can’t vote for Biden because I’m Russian.

And on that note, I see any further attempt at having an adult conversation with you is futile. Buh-bye.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs
What you are suggesting is that all those endorsing ex-candidates are conspiring to PUT INTO the presidency a man already with dementia.

Yes.

...Either because they somehow buy into the above myth that only a republican in Democrats' clothing can win, or because they're just as much a part of standard Washington bribe-taking corruption as so many others are so they don't want us to elect somebody who might actually do something about it.

Uh-huh. I see. Well, not really.

 

[Sideroxylon]

And on that note, I see any further attempt at having an adult conversation with you is futile. Buh-bye.
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I worked it out when you started insulting me.