Biden for President?

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Bob001 said:
What is Biden's actual plan?
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Rocking chair, tequila slammers, then bitches and rap music ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!!

Just kidding. Something something, deregulate investment banking, something something.

Can we all just agree that between Trump, Biden, and Sanders we've got nothing but very old men in various degrees of decline physical and mental? Saying one of the Three Stooges is slightly madder than the other two isn't a powerfully convincing argument for the others. They're all dwelling in glass nursing homes on this stuff.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Rocking chair, tequila slammers, then bitches and rap music ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!!

Just kidding. Something something, deregulate investment banking, something something.

Can we all just agree that between Trump, Biden, and Sanders we've got nothing but very old men in various degrees of decline physical and mental? Saying one of the Three Stooges is slightly madder than the other two isn't a powerfully convincing argument for the others. They're all dwelling in glass nursing homes on this stuff.
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I don't think that's true. You can reject Sanders' "socialism," but there's never been any evidence that he's not mentally sharp. He's certainly held his own in the debates.
 
Bob001 said:
I don't think that's true. You can reject Sanders' "socialism," but there's never been any evidence that he's not mentally sharp. He's certainly held his own in the debates.
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Meh. In my opinion Sanders is in the "shakes fist at clouds" style of old man wackiness. Biden's got the rambling and fluctuating brain going in and out, and Trump is a bipolar toddler version of Joffrey Baratheon. Their conditions are different in quality and seriousness but I'd still class all three as non compos. While recognizing that Sanders would know what that means, Biden would have heard of it but get it wrong, and Trump would think it was some kind of Mexican food.
 
Biden is the only candidate who would not massively mobilize Republicans to vote against him.
And Dems will vote for last night's leftovers over Trump.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
You joke, but "Sleepy Joe" looks harmless enough for plenty of Republicans not to bother voting.
Sanders, OTOH, scares plenty of conservatives ******** - just look at Chris Matthews.
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Which no doubt is why Trump and his administration felt the need to break US law and then cover it up in an attempt to smear him...

Your claims are less than persuasive.
 
dudalb said:
And they should not be choosing a 78 year old with heart issues.
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dudalb said:
I see the Bernie Bros are doing Trump's dirty work for him.
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It's OK to question the health of one of the Democratic nominees but strictly verboten for the other, because that would be doing Trump's work????

Hey, I'm just pointing out your inconsistency and the irony. Are you not even aware of what you're saying?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Biden is the only candidate who would not massively mobilize Republicans to vote against him.
And Dems will vote for last night's leftovers over Trump.
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I just donated to Biden's campaign. Let's face it, Biden is the presumptive nominee. There's no map for Sanders. There's also no map for Trump against Biden.

Biden even puts Texas in play. Biden polls well in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. It's the Democrat trifecta. If Trump has to spend time and resources to shore up Texas, he can't comeback in those three states too.
 
Bob001 said:
The broader question is whether his brand of old-school political accommodation is the right answer to the right-wing's slash-and-burn borderline fascism. Trump is a symptom, not the cause, of where we are now. What will Biden do to appeal to the people who thought Trump belonged in the White House? I think there's a real possibility that Trump could beat Biden.
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That is a distinct possibility. Trump could beat Sanders. As it stands now, it will either be Biden or Sanders. But what we don't need are anti-Trumpers spreading this "Biden's got dementia" rumor. That can only help Trump.
 
Cabbage said:
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It's OK to question the health of one of the Democratic nominees but strictly verboten for the other, because that would be doing Trump's work????

Hey, I'm just pointing out your inconsistency and the irony. Are you not even aware of what you're saying?
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They should be pushing the Trump has dementia rumors*. That would be useful.

*I don't care if the rumors are true, I care if they stick.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Joe Biden is a ‘healthy, vigorous’ 77-year-old, his doctor declares
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“The only test that hasn’t been done is the cognitive functioning test,” Olshansky added.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d3b3e8-20f5-11ea-bed5-880264cc91a9_story.html
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Funny how you left out this part of Olshansky's comment:

“The only test that hasn’t been done is the cognitive functioning test,” Olshansky added. “But the fact that he’s on the campaign trail and meeting a rigorous travel and meeting schedule probably would suffice as a replacement for the formal test for cognitive functioning.”

He said cognitive tests are generally not required unless a problem is detected.
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https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/03/06/the-disinformation-campaign-being-launched-against-biden/

Dr. Neal Kassell, who performed the aneurysm surgery on Biden three decades ago, told POLITICO in August that Biden “is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago."
"I haven’t seen any change,” he added.
Kassell said at the time he’s so certain of Biden’s health that he’s supporting his presidential bid.
“I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning. And that narrows it down exactly to one,” Kassell said.
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https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/17/biden-health-2020-086582

So that's two doctors vs. some unsupported claims by unknown internet posters.

ETA: Biden also suffers from stuttering. According to speech pathologists, what may appear as a memory lapse, like substituting 'my boss' for 'Obama', is not a memory lapse at all but a result of circumlocation: the brain quickly trying to find another word to substitute for one that is causing a stutter.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...zUbtehKh55HDw84sya8r4mUeVLm5H1sVZx5d6Mf_lEKr8
 
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As I suspected and mentioned previously, this rumor that Biden is in mental decline is being spread by Sanders supporters:
This issue, however, is not simply being raised by Trump and his enablers. Steve Friess reports that a memo about Biden’s “cognitive decline” is circulating among Sanders’ supporters.
The Bernie Sanders presidential campaign is disavowing a list of post-Super Tuesday talking points distributed to supporters and surrogates on Wednesday morning that suggest Sanders partisans attack a resurgent Joe Biden on his “record and obvious cognitive decline.”
The material, seen by Newsweek, was posted on various social media sites and on internal WhatsApp groups for supporters of the independent Vermont senator as an official campaign communique, but Sanders communications director Mike Caspa said he’d never seen it before.

“That’s not a real document,” he told Newsweek. “It’s not ours.”

“This is now a 2-person race, and there will be heightened scrutiny on Biden’s record and obvious cognitive decline,” the document reads.
The message is obviously getting out there.

The steadfast, wilful refusal of Dem political & media elites to address what is increasingly visible to the naked eye — Biden’s serious cognitive decline — is frightening indeed, not only for what it portends for 2020 but what it says about the ease of snapping them into line: https://t.co/InZzCja99x
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https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/03/06/the-disinformation-campaign-being-launched-against-biden/

"The message is obviously getting out there."

It certainly is!

If this is not coming from Sanders' campaign as they claim, then I have to wonder if it could be part of a misinformation campaign coming from Russia. If so, it looks like they've succeeded from the amount of people passing this on in this very forum.
 
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Delvo said:
The idea that Bernie would depend on some wildly unprecedented wave of millions upon millions of roughly-20-year-old voters is a myth cooked up by his opponents as a straw man. Democrats have won Presidential elections before (and lost by quite close margins, not huge blowouts) without anything completely off-the-wall happening. And they've done it with voters who wanted policies like Bernie's and candidates who campaigned like they were going to push for such policies.
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I'm not talking about waves and waves of millions of anybody. But the statistics show that younger people tend to favour Sanders while older people tend to favour Biden. If older people turn up to vote and younger people don't, then Sanders is going to find it harder to get elected than Biden would under the same circumstances.

I don't think that's a controversial statement. And if the primaries can be taken as an indication, then older people are turning out to vote in a way that younger people are not.
 
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Bob001 said:
The broader question is whether his brand of old-school political accommodation is the right answer to the right-wing's slash-and-burn borderline fascism. Trump is a symptom, not the cause, of where we are now. What will Biden do to appeal to the people who thought Trump belonged in the White House? I think there's a real possibility that Trump could beat Biden.
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Of course. There is a strong chance we get stuck with him for another four no matter which of of remaining contenders goes. The only change we can hope to expect is the swinging back of the "blue wall" States that went (very narrowly) for the Trumpster last time. And maybe Fla.
There is no way to get the Trump voters back in those States. They have been digging in their heels for as long as we have been pointin out what a POS he is. We can, however, get our own turnout up a little bit while keeping the non-Trump voters (as differentiated from the Clinton voters) out of it- and even bringing a few of them to our side.
 
Stacyhs said:
As I suspected and mentioned previously, this rumor that Biden is in mental decline is being spread by Sanders supporters:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/03/06/the-disinformation-campaign-being-launched-against-biden/

"The message is obviously getting out there."

It certainly is!

If this is not coming from Sanders' campaign as they claim, then I have to wonder if it could be part of a misinformation campaign coming from Russia. If so, it looks like they've succeeded from the amount of people passing this on in this very forum.
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That is troubling, no doubt.
Keep in mind, however, the phrase from the last sentence: "...clearly visible to the naked eye...". Posters on this forum- such as myself- received no memo from Putin or Sanders supporters to plant a seed. We have watched Biden since he entered the race and can clearly see with our own eyes that he is fading.
If he does not get someone dynamic out in front soon, that will be the focal point of his candidacy.
The narratative needs to accept that he is never going to come across as any more hip than he already has, and start pushing the "elder Statesman" with a dedicated cohort of aides who can steer the ship. Let them do the heavy lifting.
 
Bob001 said:
The broader question is whether his brand of old-school political accommodation is the right answer to the right-wing's slash-and-burn borderline fascism.
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That's what concerns me. I'm not bothered by the notion of who can beat Trump; if anyone can beat Trump, anyone can beat Trump. I'm worried about the next Trump.

Once Biden gets into office, then what? The political forces that buoyed Trump's rise have made lasting changes. We can't just pretend the last four years never happened. All the Republicans you could make deals with have retired; the Trumpers who are left are the venal and the power hungry. All the public officials you could rely on have been fired and replaced with criminals and sycophants who actively want to burn the government down to line their own pockets.

Biden is basically running as a third term for Obama. But think about how effectively the GOP neutered Obama's presidency just by refusing to cooperate on any issue out of sheer spite. They haven't gotten any friendlier, and Biden isn't Obama. You can't play checkers with someone who'll flip the table over if it looks like they're losing. So what's he going to do instead?
 
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