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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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It looks like a two person race to me.

But I have to vote next week. Now what?

I suppose Biden.

On a purely personal level, I like Warren the best, but she is very far left. Still, I think she's the smartest one of the bunch, and that ought to count for something. If I could be absolutely certain that the Senate would stay Republican, I could vote for her with a clear conscience. That way, none of her extreme ideas could pass, but we would still have a president I respected.



Bloomberg is in for now, but a headline read that he is considering dropping out after tonight's results. In all my years, I can never remember seeing a similar headline that wasn't followed by an announcement of a withdrawal.
 
Brainster said:
I know she said she would, but she's going to have to drop out, probably tomorrow or the next day. I think she's sticking it out today just in case she wins Massachusetts and picks up some delegates, but she will still drop out even if that happens.
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We'll see. Doing very, very badly would constitute a change, regardless. At the moment, it looks like she's only really picked up delegates in Massachusetts, Maine, and Minnesota, either way.

Sideroxylon said:
told the seniors at the nursing home i work at that the van is broken down and i can’t take them to the polling place. that’s 60 less votes for biden lol​
https://twitter.com/tonybeast1957/status/1234888411024121877?s=21
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...If whoever posted that is serious and actually did that, they quite deserve a beatdown.
 
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xjx388 said:
It is extremely perplexing to me that my county in Texas, a Democrat stronghold, voted heavily for Bloomberg; I expected Sanders to walk away with an easy win here. The results aren't totally in yet but it's 30% Bloomberg, 25% Sanders and 20% Biden. It's rather surprising to me . . .
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I live in Califorina, and Bloomberg has spent a hell of a lot of money here. My mailbox haa gotten Bllomburg full color brochures almost every day. I suspect he has done the same in Texas.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Bernie Sanders is an excellent option for a fair America. Biden is a Republican lite.
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Right now I have no idea as to which of them will be more electable in November (once the negative ads, FOXNews and President Trump's Twitter cloud have done their work), but an excellent option for a fair America isn't much good if he's not elected.

Tony Blair has (rightfully IMO) been criticised for his role in the Iraq war and this has ruined any legacy he and Gordon Brown may have had but he was elected as Tory Lite and then his governments went on to plough all kinds of money into public services and welfare, lift hundreds of thousands of children out of poverty, protect workers' and environmental protections and so on. It was almost like a Trojan Horse.

If Biden is selected as the candidate, and if he is elected (I still think that President Trump is favourite against either candidate), then as a Republican Lite he may be able to get more done than a left wing president. Then again, partisanship in the US may be so complete that it doesn't matter, the GOP will simply block any and all legislation. :(
 
Meadmaker said:
It looks like a two person race to me.

But I have to vote next week. Now what?

I suppose Biden.
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On a purely personal level, I like Warren the best, but she is very far left. Still, I think she's the smartest one of the bunch, and that ought to count for something. If I could be absolutely certain that the Senate would stay Republican, I could vote for her with a clear conscience. That way, none of her extreme ideas could pass, but we would still have a president I respected./QUOTE]

Tough call. I think we have similar pragmatic centrist political stances. I like Warren. She is very smart and experienced and capable, which is what I want in a president. But she doesn't really have a shot. She has sort of been cheated out of a shot by a division to the further left and right. But that's the way it goes sometimes.

I like Biden, but he causes me concern in electability. Joe's a good guy, but his best days are behind him. He is sometimes weird in his touchy-feely approach to people. He is prone to gaffes. For the past few years he sometimes seems a bit out of it. He is old and often acts old. He seems like an old boxer who is out of shape who is called up out of retirement just so his manager can make some money from the spectacle. I am afraid he won't be able to keep up and will do something to completely blow it between now and the election.

Sanders is doing well in the swing states. Biden is a bit ahead in the polls for the nomination, and versus Trump, and favorability. But only by a tiny bit. Maybe 1 point. They are basically equal. And favorability polls in the swing states indicate that they know about the candidates (only about 4% compared to about 25% for Warren and over 40% for others). So they know Sanders identifies as a Democratic Socialist. So no expectation of big changes on that front.

I am concerned about Sanders in Florida. Big swing state. Biden is polling better there. Not by much, but better. And the election comes down to Pennsylvania and Florida.

My feeling is that I would prefer Sanders. He is not the candidate I would prefer. But I think he has the best chance to win. The candidate has to flip some states. Anti-Trump votes will be the same for any candidate. Sanders will lose some votes for being a self-described Socialist and his very left agenda. But he will also pick up some votes for those same things.

I have more confidence that Sanders won't blow it and that he has the potential to flip states with voter turnout, especially the youth vote, which will be significantly larger this year than in past years.
 
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All eyes on Warren now.

Biden had a big win last night, helped tremendously by his closest centrist rivals dropping out and endorsing him.

Warren had a pretty dismal result last night. 3rd place in her home state (happy to do my part in this effort). At this point, it's clear that it's a two candidate race, Biden vs Bernie. If Warren wants a progressive to win it, she should drop out and endorse Bernie. A continued run could only be explained as vanity or as an effort to split the progressive vote and undercut Bernie.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
Not old people. Boomers.
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What the hell is wrong with you?

First of all, baby boomers were born after WWII so they're in their late 60s and 70s now. That's old. You're trying to make a distinction where none exists.

Second, what's wrong with that generation, exactly? Is it because they're not quite as progressive as you are? Who do you think pushed for social change in the 60s and 70s?

"Boomer" has become a boogeyman of the left nowadays. A Boomerman.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
I am afraid he won't be able to keep up and will do something to completely blow it between now and the election.
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That's my big concern with Biden as well. You just don't know what might come out of his mouth one day.


On the other hand, Bernie can be pretty outrageous as well. Witness the Castro flap.
 
Belz... said:
What the hell is wrong with you?

First of all, baby boomers were born after WWII so they're in their late 60s and 70s now. That's old. You're trying to make a distinction where none exists.

Second, what's wrong with that generation, exactly? Is it because they're not quite as progressive as you are? Who do you think pushed for social change in the 60s and 70s?

"Boomer" has become a boogeyman of the left nowadays. A Boomerman.
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All the talking points that get trotted out on this and miss the mark entirely. :thumbsup:
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
All eyes on Warren now.

Biden had a big win last night, helped tremendously by his closest centrist rivals dropping out and endorsing him.

Warren had a pretty dismal result last night. 3rd place in her home state (happy to do my part in this effort). At this point, it's clear that it's a two candidate race, Biden vs Bernie. If Warren wants a progressive to win it, she should drop out and endorse Bernie. A continued run could only be explained as vanity or as an effort to split the progressive vote and undercut Bernie.
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Split the progressive vote and take a VP ride with Biden.
 
Sideroxylon said:
All the talking points that get trotted out on this and miss the mark entirely.
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What do you imagine the "talking points" were in my post?

How about you treat other people's words as their own and address that rather than just dismissing them? It's the same thing you do when you use silly, childish labels like "boomer".
 
Belz... said:
What do you imagine the "talking points" were in my post?

How about you treat other people's words as their own and address that rather than just dismissing them? It's the same thing you do when you use silly, childish labels like "boomer".
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