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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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Skeptic Ginger said:
So? You think that's relevant somehow?

What's clear is the tendency in general toward paranoia that the Democratic Party is against Sanders.

The people in the Democratic Party are not all enamored with Sander's extremism. There's no plot here. People are not scheming to defeat Sanders. They are up front expressing their opinion of him. And some support him.

There's no evidence anyone paid anyone off to drop out and endorse Biden.
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I just voted for Biden, one of the most reluctant votes Ihave ever made.
I made it because, despite all his supporters arguments to the contrary, none of which I find convincing, I am convinced Sanders would lose in November. I am in ANybody but Bernie mode.
 
dudalb said:
I just voted for Biden, one of the most reluctant votes Ihave ever made.
I made it because, despite all his supporters arguments to the contrary, none of which I find convincing, I am convinced Sanders would lose in November. I am in ANybody but Bernie mode.
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Why do you hate America?
 
dudalb said:
I just voted for Biden, one of the most reluctant votes Ihave ever made.
I made it because, despite all his supporters arguments to the contrary, none of which I find convincing, I am convinced Sanders would lose in November. I am in ANybody but Bernie mode.
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Convinced despite the evidence. :thumbsup:
 
It's good to know that the core mentality of both of the 2020 candidate's bases is going to be trolling.
 
theprestige said:
What are even the options?

a) four more years in the wildnerness

b) a brokered candidate that underperforms the polling models

c) ?
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The options are limited only by your imagination. It doesn't have to be multiple choice, you know.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Honestly? In that case then the "parties" as entities have failed and they just don't get to nominate anyone. If they can't agree on a candidate what are they even wasting our time with? At that point it would be a dog and pony show without the dogs and ponies.

In an ideal world the Democrats just don't put up a candidate. Sanders and Biden both run as independents or they don't run at all.

Now I'm realistic and that's absolute political suicide so... no we shouldn't actually do that here in the real world in which we are currently exist.

But I think "parties" as a base concept are stupid so I have adjust where I start argument from and when to have it.

In my ideal world this wouldn't happen because the American people would just vote for who they think is the best candidate without waiting for a political party to ordain them.

But in my ideal world we wouldn't have the EC and first past the post voting that make not playing the game political suicide and worse then useless but outright counter productive so... ya know.
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I don't think not having such a candidate legitimately qualifies as a failure. A collection of great candidates that evenly split votes could occasion such a result, and that strikes me as a position worthy of envy for a party. And it would be absolutely absurd for that party to not run one of those great candidates.

I don't think you've really thought this all the way through.
 
Cabbage said:
I haven't noticed that, but I'm not challenging or doubting you. I honestly don't see how you can really blame him, though, with all the talk about preventive measures to keep him away from the nomination. Do you honestly think it's wrong for him to express his opinion on these issues? They are taking measure to try and stop him! Do you really also demand he simply shut his mouth and take it?
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"They" :rolleyes:

A lot of Democrats support Sanders, a lot of them feel he's an Independent running in the Democratic Party Primary and should be running as an Independent. And some of us simply feel he's going to lose to Trump and that's a risk we don't want to take.

Biden is only a little less risky, but he is less risky.
 
Cabbage said:
But you're ignoring the fact that: They can just coast through Super Tuesday without spending another dime, wait to see how they do then (possibly a miracle? Why not wait 24 hours for free for that possibility?) and then announce Wednesday if they don't receive any good news.

Everything to gain with literally nothing to lose....and yet they toss it all, without even waiting to see tomorrow's results.

Makes no sense--unless they're trying to block Bernie.
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Are you upset two candidates made a decision you wish they hadn't made? What do you mean they could have waited?

I don't suppose you know how that sounds: how dare they support Biden over Sanders. That's not how it works.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
"They" :rolleyes:

A lot of Democrats support Sanders, a lot of them feel he's an Independent running in the Democratic Party Primary and should be running as an Independent. And some of us simply feel he's going to lose to Trump and that's a risk we don't want to take.

Biden is only a little less risky, but he is less risky.
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.....none of which contradicts anything I said.

But thank you for your submission.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Are you upset two candidates made a decision you wish they hadn't made? What do you mean they could have waited?

I don't suppose you know how that sounds: how dare they support Biden over Sanders. That's not how it works.
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I was not expressing any judgment of their actions in that post (at least not with respect to Sanders); any judgment you infer is all in your head. With that sort of bias you have, I'm not particularly concerned with how what I say sounds to you.

Oh, and regarding "What do you mean they could have waited?"

1. Buy a dictionary.

2. Look up the definition of the word "wait".

3. There's your answer! You're Welcome!
 
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The_Animus said:
What? He stayed in because it was a 2 person race. Once there was no longer a way for him to win, he dropped out and campaigned for her at like 40 events.

Your comparison is ridiculous
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From my point of view, Sanders is angry and has been angry since he was a young man. He resents what he sees as the establishment yet he's willing to use the Democratic Party despite constantly complaining about them.

He hated Clinton and made little effort to hide that fact. He acted with sour grapes and only reluctantly supported Clinton after conceding to her.

Obviously others see it differently, but that's how I see it.
 
theprestige said:
It's like the Oscars.

"You don't deserve Best Picture this year, but we're giving it to you anyway because you deserved it last year and we gave it to someone who didn't deserve it because we shafted them the year before when they did deserve it."
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I can't say how the Oscar votes go but the idea we're all just voting for such a trivial reason is naive.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Because it's done by blocking Bernie. I don't see why that is so hard to understand. The Democratic Party might have the best of intentions in blocking Bernie, but they are still blocking Bernie. It sure seems funny to me that for such a divisive candidate who is doomed to lose to Trump, it's taking the combined weight of "60 plus %" of the party to keep him from even being given the chance.
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You know how paranoid it sounds when people believe no one is voting for Biden, they are all only voting against Sanders?

Not saying that isn't true for some or isn't partially true for some. I'm not sure voting for the lesser of two evils counts as only voting against Sanders.

I'll be voting against Trump. That's my priority. If there was a better candidate than Biden, I'd be voting against him too. I'm still holding out some hope Warren can gain some traction.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
So? You think that's relevant somehow?
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Yes.

What's clear is the tendency in general toward paranoia that the Democratic Party is against Sanders.

The people in the Democratic Party are not all enamored with Sander's extremism. There's no plot here. People are not scheming to defeat Sanders. They are up front expressing their opinion of him. And some support him.

There's no evidence anyone paid anyone off to drop out and endorse Biden.
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I have no idea what you are going on about.
 
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