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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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For the first time in awhile, Biden is now the favorite at both the London bookies and FiveThirtyEight. At the latter site, the odds still favor a contested convention (61% chance), but Biden is now up to 31% and Bernie down to 8%.

Time to start calling him the comeback codger?
 
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Brainster said:
For the first time in awhile, Biden is now the favorite at both the London bookies and FiveThirtyEight. At the latter site, the odds still favor a contested convention (61% chance), but Biden is now up to 31% and Bernie down to 8%.

Time to start calling him the comeback codger?
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Biden's on fire! Just like the time he was personally present when that monk self-immolated to protest in Vietnam.
 
varwoche said:
Maybe there are pills that will make him semi-cogent for brief periods, long enough to get through a debate. If so, clearly he is choosing to abstain.
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I don't often suggest this, but Biden should do cocaine. Like, a lot of it. I think it would really boost his performance, his appeal, and his personality. Just coke him up 80s style and he'll triple his chances. Or if he loses anyway at least he'll have had fun and found a new hobby, so it's a definite win-win. And it's not like he needs to worry about long-term health effects, he's 97 so just go for it!
 
varwoche said:
Maybe there are pills that will make him semi-cogent for brief periods, long enough to get through a debate. If so, clearly he is choosing to abstain.
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Truer words have not been spoken. The man is a constant barrage of gaffes and stupid statements.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I don't often suggest this, but Biden should do cocaine. Like, a lot of it. I think it would really boost his performance, his appeal, and his personality. Just coke him up 80s style and he'll triple his chances. Or if he loses anyway at least he'll have had fun and found a new hobby, so it's a definite win-win. And it's not like he needs to worry about long-term health effects, he's 97 so just go for it!
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Hunter has probably already tried to get him to partake...
 
Segnosaur said:
Actually a lot to lose... Maybe they are actually honorable democrats who actually see the danger in having Trump in power, and want to resign because, even if they could stick around and hope for a miracle (without it costing anything, they recognize that its more valuable to the country to have the democrats coalesce around a front runner early on.
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Sure, if you assume like you apparently do that Biden has a better chance at beating Trump than Bernie. I do not agree, and feel rather strongly about that. So I take exception to your grandstanding use of the word "honorable", as if to support Bernie is the dishonorable thing to do. :rolleyes:

Compare that to Bernie in the 2016 primaries, where he dragged things out almost to the bitter end, leading to deep divisions that probably affected the Democrat's ability to take on Trump.
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Hillary was a flawed candidate to begin with. I still think Bernie would have won where Hillary did not. Compare that to now, where it looks like to me the Democratic party is making the same goddamn mistake again.
 
Segnosaur said:
Uhhh... no. He may end up being the Democratic nominee. He will need all possible resources to battle Trump. Pissing off a good chunk of those resources is not the way to go.
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Yeah, it's OK only if you piss off the good chunk that supports Bernie. :rolleyes:
 
Distracted1 said:
It does seem to only be the Sanders supporters that don't see these drop-outs as being an effort to defeat Trump on behalf of the 60 plus % of the Party that clearly thinks Sanders is unlikely to be able to deliver that.

They can't see it as an effort to get the best candidate who has a realistic chance out front, but seemingly only as an effort to "block Bernie".
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I'm not going to keep my mouth shut when I think a huge mistake is being made. You're last sentence is oh so condescending. :rolleyes:
 
Segnosaur said:
The eventual winner should ideally have a majority of the voters and delegates hind them before the convention (not just a plurality).
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What do you recommend if that candidate simply does not exist? Sincere question.
 
Cabbage said:
What do you recommend if that candidate simply does not exist? Sincere question.
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Honestly? In that case then the "parties" as entities have failed and they just don't get to nominate anyone. If they can't agree on a candidate what are they even wasting our time with? At that point it would be a dog and pony show without the dogs and ponies.

In an ideal world the Democrats just don't put up a candidate. Sanders and Biden both run as independents or they don't run at all.

Now I'm realistic and that's absolute political suicide so... no we shouldn't actually do that here in the real world in which we are currently exist.

But I think "parties" as a base concept are stupid so I have adjust where I start argument from and when to have it.

In my ideal world this wouldn't happen because the American people would just vote for who they think is the best candidate without waiting for a political party to ordain them.

But in my ideal world we wouldn't have the EC and first past the post voting that make not playing the game political suicide and worse then useless but outright counter productive so... ya know.
 
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Isn't it time to do away with conventions?


I'm not sure what should replace them, but they are seriously 19th century.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
Steyer, Kamala, et al. didn't drop out right before a big election and immediately endorse someone.
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So? You think that's relevant somehow?

I don't think it is unfair or anything, but it is pretty clear what they are doing with the recent drop-outs and endorsements. Though for Warren it probably does seem unfair.
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What's clear is the tendency in general toward paranoia that the Democratic Party is against Sanders.

The people in the Democratic Party are not all enamored with Sander's extremism. There's no plot here. People are not scheming to defeat Sanders. They are up front expressing their opinion of him. And some support him.

There's no evidence anyone paid anyone off to drop out and endorse Biden.
 
Meadmaker said:
Isn't it time to do away with conventions?


I'm not sure what should replace them, but they are seriously 19th century.
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//Apropos of nothing//

They are just creepy. Yes it's a base emotional, not logical response but it's the same vibe I get off of big revival churches and school pep rallys.
 
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