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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

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bruto said:
It's nasty, but not necessarily a conspiracy if you go on the assumption that they really prefer Biden to Bernie. It's of course quite possible that they're engaging in nefarious strategy to undercut Bernie, and that's likely to be the effect, but if they actually want Biden to be nominated you can hardly expect them to play along as if they didn't.

I like Bernie, and I think he'd make a pretty good president, but he is running for a party nomination in a party that he hasn't actually joined. While I'd like to see the organization take him in and treat him better, I can't entirely fault them for being biased toward those who have belonged to it, and served it, for a long time.

With that said, I think the idea of "electability" is a poor one. It's anybody's guess, and it's often guessed wrong, and the people whose supposedly electable candidate loses the nomination tend to flounce. The party should nominate whoever best represents the party and its members, and then make them as electable as possible by doing the work.
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That's actually consistent with what I said; I never claimed it was conspiratorial.

I do strongly agree with your comments on electability.
 
Bob001 said:
One reason is to avoid the humiliation of coming in fourth, fifth or sixth and and having to acknowledge "I guess nobody loves me." It's also possible that they sincerely believe it will be easier for Trump to beat Sanders than Biden, and wanted to help Biden -- which is not the same as sabotaging Sanders.
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Maybe, but it seems to me like "saving face" is a very weak reason to just forfeit the millions of dollars invested in the campaign without even seeing what returns you might get on Super Tuesday.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I can! They are indeed conspiring...but not for politics. They're in love! It's a secret, forbidden romance. Him, the hitherto Official First Gay Candidate, it would devastate the public to learn he fell for a woman. Her, the Abusive Boss, it would shock the people to learn she possesses the tender emotions. It was unexpected but so profound, the way their eyes locked across the debating arena, his dollar-sign-shaped pro-capitalist pupils and her basilisk unjust-prosecution glare, and just like that in an instant it was True Love! They agreed to throw away their candidacies because neither could bear the thought of defeating the other, of perhaps winning office and being thus forever set out of reach of the beloved...they've snuck away in secret to indulge in the carnal, bestial lusts in a seedy motel room, their forms locked together in unthinkable passion!

Either that, or Bloomberg just bought them off.
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Kismesis?
 
Cabbage said:
Maybe, but it seems to me like "saving face" is a very weak reason to just forfeit the millions of dollars invested in the campaign without even seeing what returns you might get on Super Tuesday.
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For Mayor Pete, I've read that he spent the overwhelming portion of those millions on Iowa and New Hampshire. Not really so much left for the many and larger states of Super Tuesday.
 
Cabbage said:
Maybe, but it seems to me like "saving face" is a very weak reason to just forfeit the millions of dollars invested in the campaign without even seeing what returns you might get on Super Tuesday.
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Considering the runaway results for Biden from South Carolina, and the fact that a fair number of the Super Tuesday states also have fairly high African American demographic stats, it's difficult to imagine that either Buttigieg or Klobuchar could realistically have expected to gain enough delegates each to have actually mattered toward a result. To me it makes far more sense for the Democratic party as a whole to reduce the dilution in this big chunk of voting and see what the voters go for between the main likely contenders.

Personally I really liked Buttigieg. I hope he runs again in years to come.
 
Aridas said:
For Mayor Pete, I've read that he spent the overwhelming portion of those millions on Iowa and New Hampshire. Not really so much left for the many and larger states of Super Tuesday.
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If Super Tuesday was still a ways away I could see your point. However, it was tomorrow at the time he dropped out. It don't cost nothin' to just wait and see how tomorrow goes.
 
We seem to be covering Corvid pretty well here in the thread.

In the meantime, how is that "historic" deal that the Great Dealmaker-in-Chief made with the Taliban actually working out?
 
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Australia’s Central Bank cut interest rates and stated it will most likely further ease in order to make up for China’s Coronavirus situation and slowdown. They reduced to 0.5%, a record low. Other countries are doing the same thing, if not more so. Our Federal Reserve has us....

....paying higher rates than many others, when we should be paying less. Tough on our exporters and puts the USA at a competitive disadvantage. Must be the other way around. Should ease and cut rate big. Jerome Powell led Federal Reserve has called it wrong from day one. Sad!
 
Captain_Swoop said:
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Australia’s Central Bank cut interest rates and stated it will most likely further ease in order to make up for China’s Coronavirus situation and slowdown. They reduced to 0.5%, a record low. Other countries are doing the same thing, if not more so. Our Federal Reserve has us....

....paying higher rates than many others, when we should be paying less. Tough on our exporters and puts the USA at a competitive disadvantage. Must be the other way around. Should ease and cut rate big. Jerome Powell led Federal Reserve has called it wrong from day one. Sad!
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"Other countries" have different ways to address health care and gun control issues too; but god forbid we should ever even consider another country's approach to those issues as a possible model for ours. "Hell no! We're Amurrica, dammit! We're special!"

Trump may have a point here, I don't know enough about economics to say one way or the other. But it seems a little uneven (to say the least) to use what works for other countries as an argument for one special case and then argue that the same reasoning can't apply in another.
 
Trump Tweets ...Should ease and cut rate big. Jerome Powell led Federal Reserve has called it wrong from day one. Sad!
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Based on his track record, Donald Trump is the absolute last person I want to take financial advice from. From Market Watch's Tim Mullaney:
The New York Times report on Trump’s taxes showed what a clown Trump was in business — a history of pratfalling interrupted from time to time by deals where partners did the work, he stole from suckers, or he simply failed to make his usual catastrophic mistakes. Link
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Twenty years from now high school kids are going to be asking their history teachers, "How could anyone have supported this man?"

Answer: "It's complicated." :(
 
newyorkguy said:
Based on his track record, Donald Trump is the absolute last person I want to take financial advice from. From Market Watch's Tim Mullaney:


Twenty years from now high school kids are going to be asking their history teachers, "How could anyone have supported this man?"

Answer: "It's complicated." :(
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Nah the answer will be: We don't talk about that.
 
turingtest said:
"Other countries" have different ways to address health care and gun control issues too; but god forbid we should ever even consider another country's approach to those issues as a possible model for ours. "Hell no! We're Amurrica, dammit! We're special!"

Trump may have a point here, I don't know enough about economics to say one way or the other. But it seems a little uneven (to say the least) to use what works for other countries as an argument for one special case and then argue that the same reasoning can't apply in another.
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It's interesting to note that "Lower the interest rates!" is his solution to every problem. Has he ever mentioned raising them, under any circumstances?
 
Horatius said:
It's interesting to note that "Lower the interest rates!" is his solution to every problem. Has he ever mentioned raising them, under any circumstances?
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Personally, I distrust anyone who wants to lower interest rates. It means they're a borrower, and greedy as well. People who manage their money properly don't need to borrow. They lend, and want high interest rates to do so, as is only fair.

People clamoring for low interest rates are pretty much level with people clamoring for low priced heroin. Their desire to indulge in bad practices doesn't need to be indulged at the expense of everyone else.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Personally, I distrust anyone who wants to lower interest rates. It means they're a borrower, and greedy as well. People who manage their money properly don't need to borrow. They lend, and want high interest rates to do so, as is only fair.

People clamoring for low interest rates are pretty much level with people clamoring for low priced heroin. Their desire to indulge in bad practices doesn't need to be indulged at the expense of everyone else.
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What is wrong with saddling future generations with mountains of debt to pay for my heroin!?
 
I suspect he'll just see it as people leaping to answer his every whim, because he now sits in the big boy chair.
 
Worm said:
I suspect he'll just see it as people leaping to answer his every whim, because he now sits in the big boy chair.
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He's see it that way because he's right, that's the government he's created.

Everyone who's not a toady yes man is gone.
 
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