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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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I find people of all stripes have been holding Dems to a different standard than anyone on the right.

Well... yeah. Aren't they supposed to be better?

Trump's a badly written cartoon villain. "But X is better then Trump" is true of literally everybody on the table for even vague discussion at this point, nobody gets extra credit for it.

We've got to break out of this loop of "The only standard you're allowed to have is 'I can find someone on the other side who's worse'" arguments.
 
I find people of all stripes have been holding Dems to a different standard than anyone on the right. Bernie made some comments about Cuba and you'd think the world was going to end. Trump dry humps Putin and KJU and we barely flinch anymore.

That's not what I was saying. I was pointing out that all of the statements Joe anticipates his strawmen Bernie Bro bugbears will make about Sanders if he loses can and will equally be applied to every other candidate by their own supporters. There will always be hindsight claims and excuses and theories about what could have should have happened. It's not unique to Sanders.
 
I am wondering what the angle/advantage is for Klobuchar and Buttigeig to drop out at the 11th Hour of Super Tuesday instead of right after.
Maybe they're just dedicated/decent democrats. They see no reasonable way that they could win, and sticking around through super tuesday would make the whole primary picture a lot murkier, and increases the chance of a messy brokered convention. Leaving early means that their supporters can gravitate towards the people who have a good shot at winning.

Compare that to Sanders in 2016, who basically stuck through the primaries until the bitter end, leaving the party more divided than it needed to be. (Even if a candidate isn't numerically eliminated, there comes a point where the chance of winning is so small there is no benefit to anyone sticking around.)
 
I assure you one random yahoo on an internet message board is not going to give the Republican Hype & Spin machine ammo against Sanders that they don't already have.

Trump is not reading this thread right now going "Holy Crap I never would have thought to attack Sanders over that if Joe Morgue hadn't brought it up!" Calm down.

No, but you are being a vector for the spread of misinformation. You should probably stop that.

At least, if you want to salvage what credibility you have left, that is.
 
At least, if you want to salvage what credibility you have left, that is.

Again I'm aware my "credibility" goes down when ever I fail to say how awesome and perfect Sanders is.

Same thing happens when I say something bad about Trump oddly enough.

Weird how that's working.
 
Again I'm aware my "credibility" goes down when ever I fail to say how awesome and perfect Sanders is.

Actually, that has nothing to do with it. I refer instead to your misrepresentations of my positions. You know, like you are explicitly doing with the above quote :rolleyes:

Same thing happens when I say something bad about Trump oddly enough.

Weird how that's working.


Others' false accusations have nothing to do with my own accusations. More misrepresentation. :rolleyes:
 
What are you refering to?

ETA: Thanks, plague. I meant what misinformation has Joe spread? :p


Perhaps I have made a mistake and got some wires crossed. Somehow I got the impression that JoeMorgue was one of the ones misrepresenting Sanders statements on Cuba. I can't find that so I guess I was wrong.

My sincere apologies for that, but I continue to stand by my other accusations of Joe's credibility.
 
Perhaps I have made a mistake and got some wires crossed. Somehow I got the impression that JoeMorgue was one of the ones misrepresenting Sanders statements on Cuba. I can't find that so I guess I was wrong.

My sincere apologies for that, but I continue to stand by my other accusations of Joe's credibility.

As long as you're still mad about me about something, that's what is important.
 
Seems that Warren has a choice to make. Follow the lead of Pete and Klobuchar to pull out of the race and let the voters decide who the candidate should be, or run as a spoiler for a fractious brokered convention.
 
Buttigieg did Biden a pretty good solid by dropping out of the race. He realized that he and Joe were splitting votes, allowing Bernie to show better. Bloomberg should realize pretty soon that he's running the risk of doing the same thing.

Despite that, I don't think Buttigieg makes a good VP choice. He's still green and considering that Biden is already well into the geezer stage of life the VP has to be ready to step into the top spot. In addition, he comes from a state where the Democrats have virtually no chance of winning. VPs have to be chosen with at least an eye towards pulling another state into the win column, or at least shoring up a purplish state.

Klobuchar qualifies on that score (Minnesota barely stayed blue in 2016) and she's a woman. She's youngish, but not too young. Abrams is another that might make sense; Georgia went for Trump, but only by 5 percentage points. She's black and female, which makes her a two-fer, and which might help boost African-American turnout which the Democrats absolutely need.

Bernie has already said that he will only take a VP who supports his Medicare for All plan, which obviously lets out Buttigieg. The key here is that if Bernie gets the nomination, he's going to know that whomever he picks is going to be the standard bearer for the Democrats going forward. So he's never going to pick a centrist (even though that might be what he needs). Warren? Ayanna Pressley? Maybe Sherrod Brown?

I like Buttigieg and think he should run for Congress and establish himself as a rep. or senator.

I agree that Stacey Abrams would make a fantastic choice for VP for the reasons you stated but also because she is brilliant. I can see Biden picking her.
 
Seems that Warren has a choice to make. Follow the lead of Pete and Klobuchar to pull out of the race and let the voters decide who the candidate should be, or run as a spoiler for a fractious brokered convention.

She's got to make her decision by the end of tomorrow.
 
Seems that Warren has a choice to make. Follow the lead of Pete and Klobuchar to pull out of the race and let the voters decide who the candidate should be, or run as a spoiler for a fractious brokered convention.

I really like her but I think if Buttigieg and Klobuchar made the right move, then Warren should do that too. That would only effectively leave Biden and Sanders.
 
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