Hurricane Season is Finally Over!

Mephisto

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The US Weather Service declared an official end to hurricane season today, and people in the Gulf States as well as Mexico and Carribean countries are all celebrating. People were reportedly burning hurricane warning flags in the festive environment following a particularly harsh hurricane season.

What I'm wondering is; how can anyone (Ph.Ds in meteorology included) say that there will be no more hurricanes after THIS date? Are they sure Mother Nature got the memo? Is it time to celebrate and let our guard down, or has anyone stopped to think that Mother Nature isn't acting too motherly lately?

Will Dubya declare the "War on Weather" if she doesn't comply?
 
Mephisto said:
What I'm wondering is; how can anyone (Ph.Ds in meteorology included) say that there will be no more hurricanes after THIS date? Are they sure Mother Nature got the memo? Is it time to celebrate and let our guard down, or has anyone stopped to think that Mother Nature isn't acting too motherly lately?
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No guarantees, but they selected the season start and end to cover 97% of previous storms. (cite)

Will Dubya declare the "War on Weather" if she doesn't comply?
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You're not going to believe this. NOAA has a whole page dedicated to "Why don't we nuke hurricanes?"
 
Thanks, Manny

I realize that they're working on previous data, but since this is a record-breaking year in most aspects regarding hurricanes, I think some prudence is in order. I wouldn't be so quick to write off the season just yet - of course, I've never relied on optimism for an outlook.

The link regarding nuking storms was absolutely amazing! I can't believe that anyone who knows anything about nuclear weapons would even consider this. The first "issue" with the suggestion was rightly the radioactive fallout being scattered by the storm.

I find Meterology a really interesting science, and my skepticism wasn't a dig directed at the Weather Service, but more at people who aren't stopping to consider the possibility that they could get caught with their warning flags around their knees.
 
I think all this really means is that if any new storms do develop, they don't get names. I don't even know what comes after "epsilon" anyway.
 
Meadmaker said:
I think all this really means is that if any new storms do develop, they don't get names. I don't even know what comes after "epsilon" anyway.
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I always wondered how that worked. It's too bad, it's kind of politically-incorrect to leave out the Katrina-Come-Latelys.
 
As the ocean temperature in the North Atlantic cools down, it becomes almost impossible to fuel a hurricane. Measuring it would probably tell us for certain when the season is "really" over in any year.
 
Bjorn said:
As the ocean temperature in the North Atlantic cools down, it becomes almost impossible to fuel a hurricane. Measuring it would probably tell us for certain when the season is "really" over in any year.
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Thanks, Bjorn. I'm sure they're keeping track of any fluctuations in the water temperature. I suppose that's food for thought - the effect global warming has on deep sea temperatures and how that could affect the global climate.
 
Mephisto said:
Thanks, Bjorn. I'm sure they're keeping track of any fluctuations in the water temperature. I suppose that's food for thought - the effect global warming has on deep sea temperatures and how that could affect the global climate.
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I don't want to get into global warming here, but as an old salt I know that for hurricanes to occur, surface ocean temperatures must exceed 80 degrees Fahrenheit - which means that hurricanes are alway occurring in the summer season, whichever ocean. The South Atlantic, e.g., has no hurricanes, because the temperature is never (well, "never") high enough. Luckily, the same applies to San Diego. :)
 
Bjorn said:
I don't want to get into global warming here, but as an old salt I know that for hurricanes to occur, surface ocean temperatures must exceed 80 degrees Fahrenheit - which means that hurricanes are alway occurring in the summer season, whichever ocean. The South Atlantic, e.g., has no hurricanes, because the temperature is never (well, "never") high enough. Luckily, the same applies to San Diego. :)
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Not true. There is one south atlantic hurricane on record and few other tropical storm type things. My understanding is that the reason they don't form is more due to windshear than anything else.
 
geni said:
Not true. There is one south atlantic hurricane on record and few other tropical storm type things. My understanding is that the reason they don't form is more due to windshear than anything else.
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I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Without the necessary ocean surface temperature hurricanes can not form. The ONE hurricane you are referring to was the reason I said (well, "never") - the temperature was certainly higher than usual that year. If you search information about hurricanes and water temperature and come up with something that showes me wrong, I'm happy to read it.
 
Hurrican season? I hardly noticed I course I was safe in the Northeast blue state safty zone.

You evil red states shouldntve backed Bush, then God woould not have struck you down with Hurricanes.
 
Mephisto said:
The US Weather Service declared an official end to hurricane season today, and people in the Gulf States as well as Mexico and Carribean countries are all celebrating. People were reportedly burning hurricane warning flags in the festive environment following a particularly harsh hurricane season.
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Might we be seeing the birth of a new annual event? A bit close to Thanksgiving in the Gulf States, of course, but given the awesome power of the greeting-card and tourism industries to effect cultural change ... Just a thought, but ... if it happens, remember you heard it here first.
 
CapelDodger said:
Might we be seeing the birth of a new annual event? A bit close to Thanksgiving in the Gulf States, of course, but given the awesome power of the greeting-card and tourism industries to effect cultural change ... Just a thought, but ... if it happens, remember you heard it here first.
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Just don't wait for Michael Brown to deliver the turkey!
 
Bjorn said:
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Without the necessary ocean surface temperature hurricanes can not form. The ONE hurricane you are referring to was the reason I said (well, "never") - the temperature was certainly higher than usual that year. If you search information about hurricanes and water temperature and come up with something that showes me wrong, I'm happy to read it.
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Well to start with we have tropical storms from other years:

http://www.metoffice.com/sec2/sec2cyclone/tcimages/Misc/

wikipedia's hurincane fanatics think they have found some more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_tropical_cyclone

This article thinks that wind shear is the cause of huricane breakup in the south atlantic

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/02apr_hurricane.htm
 
Tmy said:
Hurrican season? I hardly noticed I course I was safe in the Northeast blue state safty zone.

You evil red states shouldntve backed Bush, then God woould not have struck you down with Hurricanes.
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Hurricanes have hit New England before, Tmy. Don't piss off jeebus!
 
manny said:
Oh, I dunno. I'd say that of all the people in the world, Michael Brown is exactly the guy to count on to deliver the turkey. ;)
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WTF is Michael Brown?

What about cards at the start of the Hurricane Season? We've got a double whammy here. "Hope All Goes Well, Send Photos of Grandchildren Now", then "Glad All Went Well, You Never Call" to the same address if it's still an address.

Then you've got your Start Party - "Hey, we could all be dead soon! Party down!" - and your End Party - "It's Safe, Cheap and Easily Comped! Party down! Please!"

Does the Typhoon Season coincide with the Hurricane Season?
 
geni said:
Well to start with we have tropical storms from other years:

http://www.metoffice.com/sec2/sec2cyclone/tcimages/Misc/

wikipedia's hurincane fanatics think they have found some more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Atlantic_tropical_cyclone

This article thinks that wind shear is the cause of huricane breakup in the south atlantic

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/02apr_hurricane.htm
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From your first link:

The peak in summer/autumn is due to having all of the necessary ingredients become most fa vorable during this time of year: warm ocean waters (at least 26°C or 80°F), a tropical atmosphere that can quite easily kick off convection (i.e. thunderstorms), low vertical shear in the troposphere, and a substantial amount of large-scale spin available (either through the monsoon trough or easterly waves).
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