Will Trump See Covid-19 as an Opportunity?

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Donal said:
Does he though? Really? Are we sure?
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Evidently we aren't. But I am.

And what would that price be?
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Hard time in prison, for one.

As has been stated before, he's a narcissistic moron.
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Except for the moron part.

And no, saying "he keeps winning" without actually demonstrating his intentional success
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Yes, yes, all his success is just accidental. Will you keep telling yourself that after he wins in November?
 
newyorkguy said:
I don't think we really have any idea what Trump might do -- that was the takeaway I got from the UK Independent article -- and I don't think we'll know until we get there what might happen. And make no mistake. The same people who are dismissing the notion, including in this forum, will be the same people passionately defending Trump if he refuses to concede.
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What do you mean by "refuses to concede"? Do you mean he might claim he really won? Yeah, that's possible. Do you mean he might contest election results in court? Definitely on the table, especially if a contest is close and there are any irregularities.

Do you mean he might try to actually prevent the transfer of power at the end of his term? No, I don't think that's going to happen.
 
plague311 said:
Trump blames Dems for the stock market crash instead of the virus:



Nevermind that the debates hadn't happened yet. As for Trump, he's saying it's not that bad and the only reason it's being made out to be a big deal is to hurt him in the election:



I submit this as more evidence that Trump is a mother ******* moron.
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When you think about it, if he followed his own reasoning what he was saying is that the markets don't expect Trump to win the election....
 
Ziggurat said:
What do you mean by "refuses to concede"? Do you mean he might claim he really won? Yeah, that's possible. Do you mean he might contest election results in court? Definitely on the table, especially if a contest is close and there are any irregularities.

Do you mean he might try to actually prevent the transfer of power at the end of his term? No, I don't think that's going to happen.
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but when would, according to your described scenario, his term end?
next January or when all court cases are settled?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
but when would, according to your described scenario, his term end?
next January or when all court cases are settled?
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Next January if he loses this election. January 2025 if he wins.

Any court cases which might affect the outcome will be settled prior to inauguration, as was Gore v. Bush.
 
plague311 said:
Trump blames Dems for the stock market crash instead of the virus:



Nevermind that the debates hadn't happened yet. As for Trump, he's saying it's not that bad and the only reason it's being made out to be a big deal is to hurt him in the election:



I submit this as more evidence that Trump is a mother ******* moron.
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There'd already been one round of debates. I don't see Trump blaming the stock market on that particular debate. I see him drawing a correlation between the way the Democratic primaries are playing out (including the debates, plural), and the way investor confidence is playing out.
 
What do I mean?
newyorkguy said:
...This is the scenario Washington Monthly thinks is the most dangerous (and likeliest if it happens):
Donald Trump, who spent the past five months warning about fraud, has been eerily silent for most of the night. But as soon as the Democrat takes the stage to give her victory speech, he unleashes a barrage of tweets claiming that over 100,000 illegal immigrants voted in Michigan and that Philadelphia kept its polls open for hours later than allowed. “Without PHONY voters, I really won!” he tweets. “This is FRAUD!” Needless to say, the president does not call to congratulate his opponent. At an afternoon press conference, Trump’s press secretary announces he will not concede.
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What would the next move be? Court action? A move in the Republican-controlled Senate to freeze the election process? With Mitch McConnell blathering, "Until we know with certainty what happened, I believe we owe it to the American people to halt this process."

Sounds fairly possible to me. Of course, there will be a lot of opposition and pushback but who knows.
 
Meadmaker said:
The first time I ever heard about Presidential Derangement Syndrome it was Clinton Derangement Syndrome. However, for the varieties labelled Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Hillary (an honorary title), it was just a mildly sarcastic was of saying, "Oh, get over it. Not everything bad is caused by (insert politician's name here)".

But with Trump Derangement Syndrome, I think it really has reached the level of mental illness for some people.

Is the OP author one of those? Well, that depends. Was the OP meant to be taken seriously? Then yes. The idea that Donald Trump is going to declare himself dictator is simply nuts.
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Well we can at least blame him for leaving the U.S. unprepared to deal with the virus!
https://youtu.be/fGNFhfd3Xbo

Here's what Trump is really concerned about;
https://youtu.be/hJujThoYxco
ETA; The other link
 
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newyorkguy said:
What do I mean?


What would the next move be? Court action? A move in the Republican-controlled Senate to freeze the election process? With Mitch McConnell blathering, "Until we know with certainty what happened, I believe we owe it to the American people to halt this process."

Sounds fairly possible to me. Of course, there will be a lot of opposition and pushback but who knows.
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The same action a few farmers at Lexinton and Concord took in 1775 might be necessary.
 
Ziggurat said:
Next January if he loses this election. January 2025 if he wins.

Any court cases which might affect the outcome will be settled prior to inauguration, as was Gore v. Bush.
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so after the court case is settled.

Gore v Bush came down to pretty much one district in one State.
What if 2020 or 2024 comes down with dozens of such cases?
 
My impression is that concession is just a tradition. I don't think there's any law that says the loser must concede. I don't even think he has to sign off on anything on Inauguration Day.

However (as mentioned before), could he sign himself in as Emergency Power due to the virus crisis? But we'll know by that time if the main crisis is over, or it will already have had massive impact. Think of what's happened just in the last week. Several months passing makes it totally unpredictable.
 
From Trump's Covid 19 address:
"I had a man come up to me a week ago. I hadn't seen him in a long time, and I said, 'How are you doing?’ He said, 'Fine. Fine,'" Trump said, recounting the story. "He hugs me. I say, 'Are you well?' He says, 'No.' He says, 'I have the worst fever and the worst flu,' and he’s hugging me, kissing me. So I say excuse me and go wash my hands. You want to treat this as you would the flu."
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Does anyone believe this really happened? I don't. This is just one of Trump's lies that he spontaneously spouts when he thinks it will support his position at the moment.
 
Ziggurat said:
Evidently we aren't. But I am.
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You aren't really providing a lot of reason to be confident in your position

Hard time in prison, for one.
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Based on what? What law? Who is going to enforce it?

Except for the moron part.
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Have you heard him speak?

Yes, yes, all his success is just accidental. Will you keep telling yourself that after he wins in November?
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You seem to have a weird definition of "success". He accidentally won a job he never wanted, absolutely hates, and can't do. He was born into a 9 figure fortune and went bankrupt, repeatedly. Just because he convinces other idiots he's some genius businessman, doesn't make it so.

Any "success" he has isn't due to being smart, its due to being lucky and shameless. Its like a toddler with coddling parents. Just because they give him candy so he'll stop crying doesn't mean he is "winning".
 
Donal said:
You aren't really providing a lot of reason to be confident in your position



Based on what? What law? Who is going to enforce it?



Have you heard him speak?



You seem to have a weird definition of "success". He accidentally won a job he never wanted, absolutely hates, and can't do. He was born into a 9 figure fortune and went bankrupt, repeatedly. Just because he convinces other idiots he's some genius businessman, doesn't make it so.

Any "success" he has isn't due to being smart, its due to being lucky and shameless. Its like a toddler with coddling parents. Just because they give him candy so he'll stop crying doesn't mean he is "winning".
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Unless you define victory as just having the candy. Because no matter how he got it, he's got it.
 
johnny karate said:
How is it "special pleading" to attempt to predict a person's behavior based on their past behavior?



Cool. But could we just stick to the arguments actually being made here?
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They aren't really arguments though are they.

It is all "think of the worst possible scenario. Apply it with Trump will probably do this"

It is beginning to become a bit ridiculous and needy, and not on his part.

I have visions of people on here sitting on their couch wishing it will happen, just to justify their silly paranoia
 
cullennz said:
They aren't really arguments though are they.

It is all "think of the worst possible scenario. Apply it with Trump will probably do this"

It is beginning to become a bit ridiculous and needy, and not on his part.

I have visions of people on here sitting on their couch wishing it will happen, just to justify their silly paranoia
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How is it "silly paranoia" to be concerned that a president who operates as if he's above the law and expresses contempt for the institutions designed to keep his power in check will continue with this behavior?
 
plague311 said:
Trump blames Dems for the stock market crash instead of the virus:

Nevermind that the debates hadn't happened yet. As for Trump, he's saying it's not that bad and the only reason it's being made out to be a big deal is to hurt him in the election:

I submit this as more evidence that Trump is a mother ******* moron.
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It reminds me of the people I saw claim that the economic crisis in 2008 was caused by panic in anticipation of Barack Obama possibly becoming President.
 
johnny karate said:
How is it "silly paranoia" to be concerned that a president who operates as if he's above the law and expresses contempt for the institutions designed to keep his power in check will continue with this behavior?
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So, if someone else wins, who does Roberts swear in?
Who will the Senate and House send their bills to get signed into law?
To whom do you think the generals of the joint chief of staff will report?

How many of the institutions, the various bureaucratic systems will just accept a proclamation rather than follow the laws?

Yes, it's both silly and paranoia.
 
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