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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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Segnosaur said:
Jesus christ on a pogo stick...

What is it with all the Sanders supporters who think that if you don't subscribe to BernieCare that you somehow want Americans to all suffer and die?

All Democratic candidates want to expand health care to cover the uninsured. Even the moderates like Biden. Even Michael "I can't believe he's not a republican" Bloomberg.

The only question is how exactly its done.... following a model which would be politically popular and has worked in other countries (i.e. mixed public/private systems), or an alternative which has very little public support and has significant problems with waiting lists in the only major western country that utilizes it (i.e. government-only BernieCare).
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How dare you question any thing Dear Leader proposes...

SOme form of Universal Health Care is sellable; M4A will never sell.
If for no other reason then Americans love to be able to choose;and with M4A you don't have a lot of choice.
People are not going to vote to give up their health care for something which nobody really knows what it will look like and might well be worse then what they have now.
 
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Distracted1 said:
I hope this is not a violation of some kind of forum rule, but I notice that the posters in here who tend to think Sanders has little chance of becoming President tend to be located (when they choose to make that info available) the very swing States (FL, PA, MI) that the election probably hinges on.

Is it just a bit possible that Sanders looks a whole lot more electable someplace where the Statewide outcome of the election is already practically a foregone conclusion?

I don't say that to be insulting to anyone. But is it possible that being someplace reliably "Blue" might make ones' personal "Overton window" a little skewed?
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Your sample size is too small and not random. You can't conclude anything from it.
 
Distracted1 said:
Wasn't that long ago those polls were painting a picture of a Biden juggernaut.
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And these overall pools are meaningless; If does not matter if Bernie can get 75% of the vote in the Blue states if he can't win in the Purple Swing States.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
Yet when someone suggests that centrists need progressives, well that's just the progressives being divisive and contrarian.
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We need Progressives. But any sour grapes BernieBros who don't vote will not outweigh the centrists who do.

In addition, a centrist will pull some Trump votes while a socialist Sanders will scare them away.
 
dudalb said:
How dare you question any thing Dear Leader proposes...

SOme form of Universal Health Care is sellable; M4A will never sell.
If for no other reason then Americans love to be able to choose;and with M4A you don't have a lot of choice.
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Sanders derangement syndrome. Chris Mathews on MSNBC, that knob on Morning Joe. There is a lot of it going around.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
We need Progressives. But any sour grapes BernieBros who don't vote will not outweigh the centrists who do.

In addition, a centrist will pull some Trump votes while a socialist Sanders will scare them away.
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The Berniebros might succeed in running all the Blue Dog Democrats out of the party. Which might be there real aim.
I can see the Blue Dog Dems and the Never Trump Gopers both of whom feel alientated by their parties, getting together and froming a viable third party.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Sanders derangement syndrome. Chris Mathews on MSNBC, that knob on Morning Joe. There is a lot of it going around.
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The whole "derangement syndrome" (such as "obama derangement syndrome") is used when people attempt to smear a candidate based on absolutely no evidence. (such as "he's a secret kenyan muslim who's going to take away all our guns")

On the other hand, there actually is evidence to show that BernieCare is a problem. There are opinion polls that show that a single payer health care system that bans private insurance is the least popular option. Yes, the majority of people want universal coverage, but they don't want to lose the option of private care.

So no, pointing out how BernieCare might cause the democrats to lose some votes is not "Sanders Derangement Syndrome", it is based on actual evidence.
 
Brainster said:
Wait a minute, I thought Trump was Dear Leader. Is Sanders the new Dear Leader?
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It's an attempt to make it about "both extremes" all the damn time.

Sanders and Trump are not two sides of the same coin. And as much as some Bernie Bros annoy me and cuss me out I would not say they have as bad motivations and plain hatred as Trump's base.
 
Segnosaur said:
The whole "derangement syndrome" (such as "obama derangement syndrome") is used when people attempt to smear a candidate based on absolutely no evidence. (such as "he's a secret kenyan muslim who's going to take away all our guns")

On the other hand, there actually is evidence to show that BernieCare is a problem. There are opinion polls that show that a single payer health care system that bans private insurance is the least popular option. Yes, the majority of people want universal coverage, but they don't want to lose the option of private care.

So no, pointing out how BernieCare might cause the democrats to lose some votes is not "Sanders Derangement Syndrome", it is based on actual evidence.
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No, Sanders Derangement Syndrome is reserved for those who launch petty and paranoid attacks at Sanders when he doesn't invite that reaction.
 
Segnosaur said:
The whole "derangement syndrome" (such as "obama derangement syndrome") is used when people attempt to smear a candidate based on absolutely no evidence. (such as "he's a secret kenyan muslim who's going to take away all our guns")

On the other hand, there actually is evidence to show that BernieCare is a problem. There are opinion polls that show that a single payer health care system that bans private insurance is the least popular option. Yes, the majority of people want universal coverage, but they don't want to lose the option of private care.

So no, pointing out how BernieCare might cause the democrats to lose some votes is not "Sanders Derangement Syndrome", it is based on actual evidence.
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It was a flippant response to some pretty foaming action we are getting here.
 
dudalb said:
The Berniebros might succeed in running all the Blue Dog Democrats out of the party. Which might be there real aim. I can see the Blue Dog Dems and the Never Trump Gopers both of whom feel alientated by their parties, getting together and froming a viable third party.
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That's an even sillier fantasy than the Lost Tribe. Repeat after me: There are no passionate moderates. The two parties depend on their wings to do the grunt work (and generally try to ignore them the rest of the time). How do you get people to volunteer their time and money? By convincing them that Trump/Obama/Bush/Clinton is the new Hitler, and so therefore they must do everything to stop the impending Holocaust.
 
dudalb said:
The Berniebros might succeed in running all the Blue Dog Democrats out of the party. Which might be there real aim.
I can see the Blue Dog Dems and the Never Trump Gopers both of whom feel alientated by their parties, getting together and froming a viable third party.
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They could call themselves the Lost Tribe party in order to sell their viability.
 
So that all the centrist and moderates have vanished from the US is now a dogma for the Berniebros.
 
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