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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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Distracted1 said:
I hope this is not a violation of some kind of forum rule, but I notice that the posters in here who tend to think Sanders has little chance of becoming President tend to be located (when they choose to make that info available) the very swing States (FL, PA, MI) that the election probably hinges on.

Is it just a bit possible that Sanders looks a whole lot more electable someplace where the Statewide outcome of the election is already practically a foregone conclusion?

I don't say that to be insulting to anyone. But is it possible that being someplace reliably "Blue" might make ones' personal "Overton window" a little skewed?
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That and all the polls that say he beats Trump, but yeah.
 
Hillary was gonna turn Texas red and have one of the biggest electoral landslides in history.

And if Biden or Warren swing back in the lead all the Sanders supports will suddenly pretend polls don't count or don't matter like they did back when he was a distant third. Or all the other primaries he's lost.
 
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Distracted1 said:
Wasn't that long ago those polls were painting a picture of a Biden juggernaut.
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What else do we have to go on to answer this question? It seems that we often see such suspicions raised about all polls they disagree with (not just one showing Bernie winning either) then into this epistemological wasteland people just assert their own reality.
 
Sideroxylon said:
That and all the polls that say he beats Trump, but yeah.
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Yeah, like the latest Rasmussen poll...

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...nders-by-7-points-in-general-election-matchup
In a Rasmussen Reports survey released Wednesday, Sanders trailed Trump 50 percent to 43 percent in a hypothetical general election matchup...

Note: In general, Rasmussen is seen as having a pro-republican bias, so some skepticism is warranted. And that is only a single data point (so it could be a random outlier). Still, that could be problematic, even if the poll is skewed by a few percentage points.
 
Second bad debate for the Dems in a row.
God, I wish the League of Woman voters still ran all the big debates. You did not have these fiascos when they did it.
Allowing the major networks to manage the debates is asking for trouble. Of course they want lots of drama and fireworks, as the expense of a real debate. The over the top threatrics bring ratings,and that is what the networks care about.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Again don't worry when Sanders is elected by the massive socialist uprising in... the Rust Belt you can ship me off the re-education camps.

You guys are Trumpers with the names, labels, and nouns swapped out.
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This is the truth, sadly.
 
Segnosaur said:
Yeah, like the latest Rasmussen poll...

https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...nders-by-7-points-in-general-election-matchup
In a Rasmussen Reports survey released Wednesday, Sanders trailed Trump 50 percent to 43 percent in a hypothetical general election matchup...

Note: In general, Rasmussen is seen as having a pro-republican bias, so some skepticism is warranted. And that is only a single data point (so it could be a random outlier). Still, that could be problematic, even if the poll is skewed by a few percentage points.
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From the link:
“ Other national polls have shown Sanders leading Trump, along with other leading Democratic candidates including former Vice President Joe Biden (D) and former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, all three of whom held similar single-digit leads over the president in hypothetical matchups polled by Reuters/Ipsos this week.”

But yeah.
 
This is as good a place as any for this. I just opened my primary ballot, I get both dems and reps. I expected the 12 Dem candidates but was somewhat shocked by the 6 republicans.

Matthew John Matern
Robert Ardini
Joe Walsh
Donald J. Trump
Bill Weld
Zoltan G. Istvan

I think I'll vote for Zoltan on account of, if our president is going to be a Bond villain, he may as well have a Bond villain's name.
 
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Sideroxylon said:
Yeah, like the latest Rasmussen poll...

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...ection-matchup
In a Rasmussen Reports survey released Wednesday, Sanders trailed Trump 50 percent to 43 percent in a hypothetical general election matchup...
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From the link:
“ Other national polls have shown Sanders leading Trump, along with other leading Democratic candidates including former Vice President Joe Biden (D) and former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, all three of whom held similar single-digit leads over the president in hypothetical matchups polled by Reuters/Ipsos this week.”

But yeah.
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Yes, there are polls that show Sanders beating trump. I already acknowledged the possibility that this poll is just an outlier. It is however the most recent poll.

By the way, lets look at those other polls, shall we? It states that Sanders, Biden and Bloomberg hold "similar" leads over Trump... Hmmm... Biden and Bloomberg have both had significant problems (Biden for his repeated gaffs, Bloomberg for his questionable policies as mayor). Yet they're doing just as well as "squeaky clean" Sanders. If Sanders is such a 'winning' proposition, why hasn't he left Bloomberg and Biden in the dust, given that they're both "damaged goods"?
 
Sideroxylon said:
It is a dumb meme that some TV talking heads pumping centrists tried to float and parroted here.
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Your dislike for centrist is amusing, since Sanders will need their votes to have chance in hell of winning in November.
 
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dudalb said:
Your dislike for centrist is amusing, since Sanders will need their votes to have chance in hell of winning in November.
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Yet when someone suggests that centrists need progressives, well that's just the progressives being divisive and contrarian.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Vote for Trump to own the people who want healthcare and education for all Americans.
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Jesus christ on a pogo stick...

What is it with all the Sanders supporters who think that if you don't subscribe to BernieCare that you somehow want Americans to all suffer and die?

All Democratic candidates want to expand health care to cover the uninsured. Even the moderates like Biden. Even Michael "I can't believe he's not a republican" Bloomberg.

The only question is how exactly its done.... following a model which would be politically popular and has worked in other countries (i.e. mixed public/private systems), or an alternative which has very little public support and has significant problems with waiting lists in the only major western country that utilizes it (i.e. government-only BernieCare).
 
JoeMorgue said:
Oh well if the guy who loves him thinks he has a chance, I guess that's the end of the discussion. It's not like the whether or not we'll live in a functioning Democracy much longer is severely at risk if you're wrong or anything.

Get outside your bubble and breath some of the real world air.
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With a pandemic on the way? No chance!
 
Segnosaur said:
Yes, there are polls that show Sanders beating trump. I already acknowledged the possibility that this poll is just an outlier. It is however the most recent poll.

By the way, lets look at those other polls, shall we? It states that Sanders, Biden and Bloomberg hold "similar" leads over Trump... Hmmm... Biden and Bloomberg have both had significant problems (Biden for his repeated gaffs, Bloomberg for his questionable policies as mayor). Yet they're doing just as well as "squeaky clean" Sanders. If Sanders is such a 'winning' proposition, why hasn't he left Bloomberg and Biden in the dust, given that they're both "damaged goods"?
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Might it not be due to people like you who are simply afraid of putting their support in Sanders?
 
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