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Should we fear Bernie?

Distracted1 said:
Problem solved, then.

All we gotta do is vote blue, and we can enjoy the same results we had last time we stuck to that plan.
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Ok, so voting blue is a route to Lose-ville. What else? Uhm... maybe on the way to the poll, jack a Trump voter's car? I dunno what you want really.
 
Distracted1 said:
Problem solved, then.

All we gotta do is vote blue, and we can enjoy the same results we had last time we stuck to that plan.
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But this is totally different because with Bernie we can count on a wave of far left, progressive, even socialist support in... let me check my notes here... Wisconsin.
 
JoeMorgue said:
But this is totally different because with Bernie we can count on a wave of far left, progressive, even socialist support in... let me check my notes here... Wisconsin.
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Looking at the polls, it appears that Sander's is on average tied with Trump in Wisconsin. The only Democrat that leads Trump in the average is Biden. Everyone else loses to Trump according to the polls. Sounds like when it comes to Wisconsin, Biden would have the most chance, closely followed by Sanders. Biden is just a single point ahead, mind you, and unless he pulls of a miracle, he's out of the race soon enough.
 
dann said:
Guess wrong about what exactly? Face it, moderate and even conservative Democrats vote for Sanders.
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Guess wrong about why a "moderate" Democrat would not want Sanders to be the nominee.

Moderates want healthcare for all, a dignified life for all, safety, health, and a clean environment, as well as non adversarial relationships with the world community. Same as "Progressives".
Moderates don't want Sanders this time because his loss in the General election will put us further away from those things.

The Progressives seem to be threatening to hold their breath until they turn blue unless these things happen right now!!, which we moderates feel is a strategy guaranteed to bring us nothing.
 
Distracted1 said:
Guess wrong about why a "moderate" Democrat would not want Sanders to be the nominee.

Moderates want healthcare for all, a dignified life for all, safety, health, and a clean environment, as well as non adversarial relationships with the world community. Same as "Progressives".
Moderates don't want Sanders this time because his loss in the General election will put us further away from those things.

The Progressives seem to be threatening to hold their breath until they turn blue unless these things happen right now!!, which we moderates feel is a strategy guaranteed to bring us nothing.
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Progressives don't have to hold their breath. Sanders is - as of this moment - winning. The people protesting appear to be the moderate Democrats. I don't see them threatening to vote for Trump (yet), but they are certainly preaching doom and gloom.
 
dudalb said:
I wish I could at least get the Bernie Bros to admit that things like his "Comrades" opening and his "Castro was not a bad guy" 60 minutes routine is something he has to cut out.
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What's the left wing equivalent of 'winding up the libs'?
 
uke2se said:
Looking at the polls, it appears that Sander's is on average tied with Trump in Wisconsin. The only Democrat that leads Trump in the average is Biden. Everyone else loses to Trump according to the polls. Sounds like when it comes to Wisconsin, Biden would have the most chance, closely followed by Sanders. Biden is just a single point ahead, mind you, and unless he pulls of a miracle, he's out of the race soon enough.
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The Polls that are being pointed at to convince us that Sanders is the candidate to carry the rust-belt don't show much more than a point or two difference in his favor either.

Somehow that is supposed to convince us that he can carry those States ?

We should negate everything we know and feel about what kind of reception Sanders will get in these close States because he does 1 point better than Liz Warren in a poll taken 8 months before the General ?

By the time the polls catch up with reality, it may be too late to change horses. Leaving us with another "popular vote" victory-and four more years of the Trumpster.

In answer to the OP.
YES! We (Democrats) should fear Bernie.
 
uke2se said:
Progressives don't have to hold their breath. Sanders is - as of this moment - winning. The people protesting appear to be the moderate Democrats. I don't see them threatening to vote for Trump (yet), but they are certainly preaching doom and gloom.
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Four months ago Biden was winning.
Should we not have lined up behind him at that point?

If not, why not?
Because factors other than early polls made it apparent that he can't deliver the goods, maybe?
 
dudalb said:
I wish I could at least get the Bernie Bros to admit that things like his "Comrades" opening and his "Castro was not a bad guy" 60 minutes routine is something he has to cut out.
He is just handing the GOP free ammo with that.
He has to get that he needs to appeal to an audience beyond his "Progressive" base.
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So pointing out that Batista's illegitimate 81 year old daughter had her savings wiped out by the financial crisis and is now homeless living in a Ft. Lauderdale park would be bad, right?

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Ex-Cuban-Dictator-Fulgencio-Batistas-Daughter-is-Homeless-in-Florida-20170629-0022.html
 
uke2se said:
Well, since that's not going to happen - partly because the Democratic party can't control the actions of primary voters, and it appears more Democratic primary voters want Bernie than anyone else - what else should be done?
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Nothing should be done. It's supposed to be democracy, for Pete's sake! If Sanders is the nominee and he looses, then so be it. The people then wants four more Trump years. Yes, maybe not a majority, but hey, that's the voting system you have.

Hans
 
angrysoba said:
Okay, who do you think would perform better in the general election?

Could you pick a name, please?
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Buttigieg
Klobuchar
Biden*
Warren
Bloomberg

I prefer Warren, although she would have a tougher time of it than some of the others, but I think Sanders is the least likely to be able to win, by a wide margin.
 
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