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Should we fear Bernie?

Fidel Castro could own dozens of slaves, but the left would make excuses -- even using his birthday as an occasion to sell mattresses. "Never mind the human trafficking. Fidel stood up in a boat and defeated the British."
 
According to Sanders, he will use the bully pulpit. He will expose them in a way their constituents are not usually aware of; naming names, pointing out who voted on what. He doubled down heavy on pressuring Jeff Bezos to implement a $15.00 wage minimum. And Bezos conceded. If he can get concessions from the most powerful CEO in the world, I bet he can flip a few congressmen.

I do not believe Sanders can enact everything he wants. I don't have that much faith in his movement.

I don't support bullies.
 

One thing that comes to mind is the effect of the Cult of Celebrity which Trump thrives on.

Although Bernie doesn't appear to court this, he does have a certain something about him that's likable, and perhaps that maybe enough just now. The others seem more like the old order that Trumpism likes to devour and although Bernie is kinda left wing, his policies SHOULD be attractive to the young, poor and minorities.
 
Dudalb, are you suggesting that Bernie Sanders should try to win over the community of revanchist Cuban exiles in Miami, somehow? The guys carrying "Trump 2020" posters and banners from the "Hialeah Republican Club" even when they are protesting against a new Netflix movie about anti-Cuban terrorist organisations that Bernie Sanders had nothing whatsoever to do with? Do you expect Sanders to seek (or even want) a compromise with those guys? Why are you so bent on compromises with them?

You seem to forget that many people already consider Bernie Sanders the ultimate compromise:

For some reason, alleged centrists tend to seek compromise exclusively with radical right-wing groups, which means that they can never oppose Trump and his base of fascist Republicans.

And why are you so obsessed with the term "comrades", dudalb? If you want to imply a Cuban-style way of addressing people, the word you're looking for is compañeros.
Sanders is already the favourite candidate of Latino voters: Sanders won big with Latinos in Nevada. The nation's largest minority group could reshape the Democratic race (CNN, Feb. 23, 2020)

Well in a way, yes. I'm not meaning that he needs to win them over to get them to vote for him, but he does need to figure out a way to represent them, otherwise he just becomes another Trump who is only willing to represent and only cares about those Americans who voted for him rather then being a President for all Americans.
 
I want to know what Bernie is going to do when Congress refuses to enact Medicare-for-All, free college, Green New Deal, guaranteed housing, guaranteed jobs?

he gonna threaten to shut down the government or default on the debt if he doesn't get his way?
I have never, ever understood America's intransigence and loathing for free for all health care. I would think the vast majority of people living in the states would benefit from it.

I was listening to an in the street interview of people in the UK who were asked to guess how much certain medical procedures cost in the USA. I haven't looked it up but apparently giving birth in a hospital, even with health care can cost $10,000. It could cost up to $30000 without health care. They also reported on how some hospitals were charging extra for the mum to have skin on skin contact immediately after birth - extras.

Two reasons I never wanted to live in the USA - Guns and Healthcare. It seems like so many Americans are so ignorant/insular regarding normal ways of living in other countries. Sometimes I think they can't conceive that there's anywhere better to live than the USA. But it's just not true. I think politicians like Bernie see this and understand this.

Trump on the other hand is a completely different kettle of fish. He doesn't care at all. I don't think he has any doctrinal or principled bone in his body For him it's all about greed, power, wealth and a thin veneer of externally facing bravado, lies and leadership required to get what he wants. He focuses on non thinking people who are easy to manipulate and tells them what they want to hear.

The art of the deal is about getting what you want at the expense of everyone else involved. It's about selling and ignoring if whats being sold is actually good for those who are buying it.
 
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Well in a way, yes. I'm not meaning that he needs to win them over to get them to vote for him, but he does need to figure out a way to represent them, otherwise he just becomes another Trump who is only willing to represent and only cares about those Americans who voted for him rather then being a President for all Americans.
As an aside, I think the NZ police are excellent, at least from what I've seen in Police 10/7.

Hope you don't burst my bubble.
 
As an aside, I think the NZ police are excellent, at least from what I've seen in Police 10/7.

Hope you don't burst my bubble.

They are generally pretty good, there are some issues and have been, and likely still are, some bad apples that ruin it for everyone else, but on the whole I think they are decent men and women who are there to help people out on their darkest day.
 
Yep! He definitely does not need to play up the stereotypes. Keep it reasonable and don’t use the hackneyed lefty rhetoric.

Minimum wage increases and universal healthcare are perfectly reasonable goals with a broad appeal. He asks, “is that so radical?” And I would say “No!”

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna be making it with anyone anyhow.


Does he actually "go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao"? I hear Venezuela, Cuba, now China, apparently, and dudalb and the prestige love references to the USSR, even though Sander's been making it clear in a number of speeches that Bernie Sanders' American Dream is in Denmark (CNN, Feb. 17, 2016).
Get used to it! We have! (More or less; I can think of many things that need to be improved!) And I don't see any Danes risking their lives trying to escape to the alleged land of the free from the awful socialist oppression around here:

"I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway," Sanders said, "and learn what they have accomplished for their working people."
"In Denmark, there is a very different understanding of what "freedom" means... they have gone a long way to ending the enormous anxieties that comes with economic insecurity."


On the contrary, many Americans seem to like it here, and many more would probably like to escape to Denmark from the awful conditions of their country if they were allowed to do so: MOVING TO DENMARK, A GUIDE FOR AMERICANS FLEEING PRESIDENT TRUMP (howtoliveindenmark.com)

But for some reason known only to themselves (but not difficult to guess), 'moderates' like dudalb resort to Trump, GOP and Fox propaganda whenever they are confronted with somebody who doesn't pander to the U.S. oligarchs and try to make all opposition to them look like the devil incarnate.
 
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I agree. I think he should reinvent as "sassy Latina nurse" or "music industry douchebag" or "1980s Muscle Beach guy" or perhaps even "film noir femme fatale". Any of the stereotypes, actually, they're all good stuff, and would work wonders to make Sanders more interesting on camera.


I'm with you on that one, except for "1980s Muscle Beach guy", which has been done to death.
 
I have never, ever understood America's intransigence and loathing for free for all health care. I would think the vast majority of people living in the states would benefit from it.


They would, and they know it. America's intransigence and loathing for free-for-all health care isn't shared by the majority of Americans. That's American democracy, that's the land of the free and the brave.
 
Does he actually "go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao"? I hear Venezuela, Cuba, now China, apparently, and dudalb and the prestige love references to the USSR, even though Sander's been making it clear in a number of speeches that Bernie Sanders' American Dream is in Denmark (CNN, Feb. 17, 2016).
Get used to it! We have! (More or less; I can think of many things that need to be improved!) And I don't see any Danes risking their lives trying to escape to the alleged land of the free from the awful socialist oppression around here:




On the contrary, many Americans seem to like it here, and many more would probably like to escape to Denmark from the awful conditions of their country if they were allowed to do so: MOVING TO DENMARK, A GUIDE FOR AMERICANS FLEEING PRESIDENT TRUMP (howtoliveindenmark.com)

But for some reason known only to themselves (but not difficult to guess), 'moderates' like dudalb resort to Trump, GOP and Fox propaganda whenever they are confronted with somebody who doesn't pander to the U.S. oligarchs and try to make all opposition to them look like the devil incarnate.

No, it was a Beatles reference.

Yes, I agree he should keep on with the comparisons to Denmark.

If he starts going down the road of comparing his plans to those that exist in Cuba then it would be a mistake.

The GOP will obviously pull out any chance they can for him to say nice things about Cuba, Venezuela, China, Vietnam... etc....

He just must not take the bait; even when asked to say true things about the places.
 
They are generally pretty good, there are some issues and have been, and likely still are, some bad apples that ruin it for everyone else, but on the whole I think they are decent men and women who are there to help people out on their darkest day.

We've seen Outrageous Fortune, and how awful NZ cops were to poor Pascalle!
 
Does he actually "go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao"? I hear Venezuela, Cuba, now China, apparently, and dudalb and the prestige love references to the USSR, even though Sander's been making it clear in a number of speeches that Bernie Sanders' American Dream is in Denmark (CNN, Feb. 17, 2016).
Get used to it! We have! (More or less; I can think of many things that need to be improved!) And I don't see any Danes risking their lives trying to escape to the alleged land of the free from the awful socialist oppression around here:




On the contrary, many Americans seem to like it here, and many more would probably like to escape to Denmark from the awful conditions of their country if they were allowed to do so: MOVING TO DENMARK, A GUIDE FOR AMERICANS FLEEING PRESIDENT TRUMP (howtoliveindenmark.com)

But for some reason known only to themselves (but not difficult to guess), 'moderates' like dudalb resort to Trump, GOP and Fox propaganda whenever they are confronted with somebody who doesn't pander to the U.S. oligarchs and try to make all opposition to them look like the devil incarnate.
I would go so far as to wager that you would guess wrong.
 
Given the racism prevalent in Denmark, Republicans should be all for Sanders attempting to emulate the country.
 
Literacy turns people Atheist.


Not in and of itself, it doesn't! Do you really think that all those Christian pamphlets are meant to be read by atheists?
If you don't improve people's living conditions, being able to read doesn't help people shed their need for religion. However, after the revolution and until the early 1990s when living conditions in Cuba deteriorated considerably, religion wasn't doing particularly well in Cuba. After that, it surged.

Better follow the Republican Program and abolish higher education altogether.


Republicans aren't trying to prevent people from learning to read!

Given the racism prevalent in Denmark, Republicans should be all for Sanders attempting to emulate the country.


There is too much racism in Denmark (any racism is too much!), but not in comparison to the USA - in spite of what Wikipedia (and YouGov) says: Racism in Europe: Denmark (Consider the example used in the Wiki article!)
Anyway, that's not one of the things that I've heard Bernie Sanders or his followers say that they would like to emulate.
 
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