Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 19

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Cabbage said:
Actually, I think you are forgetting the order of events:

1. Distracted1 says Sanders is "the candidate we know they will have the toughest time with" (in the rust belt).

2. I specifically asked him why he thinks that. He never provided any evidence other than the fact that he's lived there most of his life (which, I will point out, is still pretty far removed from having a feel for how the general state population feels--you only know the people you know, you know?). Anecdotally, I mentioned the fact that Sanders is actually the favorite candidate in at least two of the rust belt states; this, while not definitive, absolutely casts doubt on Sanders being " the candidate we know they will have the toughest time with".

No, I don't know how the 70% that don't favor Sanders actually feel about Sanders. I have yet to see anybody provide any evidence whatsoever for that.

Anyway, the point is: I never made a claim. I simply contested Distracted1's claim.
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I see your point.

Allow me to retract the words "we know" from the part of my post that you quoted. And re submit.
 
pgwenthold said:
FFS, there are STILL people who claim that Mexico IS paying for the wall! Through whatever trade benefit they can invent.

They can't even admit that he lied to their faces, so they have to completely invent a way to cover for it.

(They can't even get away with "he didn't claim that Mexico would write a check" or anything like that, because he exactly DID claim that)
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Perhaps I am overestimating their cognitive dissonance, but I suspect we could find a lot who say the wall is built. Well, they would phrase it as “the wall is pert near completely built.”
 
Ladewig said:
Perhaps I am overestimating their cognitive dissonance, but I suspect we could find a lot who say the wall is built. Well, they would phrase it as “the wall is pert near completely built.”
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Almost right. It would be phrased "that there wall is pert near done".
 
plague311 said:
Did he really lie though? Think of what he's done to that border. Per this article everything he would have wanted to happen with the wall is happening under his current policy with, what would be considered to him, amazing results. Given that immigrants are no longer released into the US, they just don't want to come here. At this point, and I know he knows it, he doesn't have to build the wall. The messages of cruelty, denial, and even if you get in, how fast it can change when Trump doesn't get a diaper change, has been the biggest deterrent. He's just building the wall to say he's fulfilled a promise.
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Yes, he lied. Who is paying for that wall? Mexico? No. The American tax payer is. The military and their families who won't get the much needed housing, etc. because Trump is diverting that money to The Wall are paying.

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plague311 said:
Be that as it may, they are paying for their police, military, and immigration folks to prevent immigrants from even reaching the border. Again, the effect is the same, even if it's obtained through a different method.

Goal = Stop people from Mexico\South American Countries from coming to America, on Mexico's dime.

Trump = Done and done.
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Mexico may be paying for things on their side of the border but it's still the American taxpayer who is footing the bill for that damn wall.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Evidence?
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The evidence is apparently one email sent to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta in April 2015 from the mastor @ hillaryclinton.com email account, reportedly an account used by Marissa Astor, an assistant to Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook. It was included in a WikiLeaks release of Podesta's emails. Link The strategy proposed was to try and avoid "marginalizing" candidates such as Ben Carson, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz in order to force more moderate Republicans to adopt more conservative positions.

That's all I am aware of and it's a long way from Hillary Clinton pulling strings to get Trump the GOP nomination.
 
newyorkguy said:
The evidence is apparently one email sent to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta in April 2015 from the mastor @ hillaryclinton.com email account, reportedly an account used by Marissa Astor, an assistant to Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook. It was included in a WikiLeaks release of Podesta's emails. Link The strategy proposed was to try and avoid "marginalizing" candidates such as Ben Carson, Donald Trump and Ted Cruz in order to force more moderate Republicans to adopt more conservative positions.

That's all I am aware of and it's a long way from Hillary Clinton pulling strings to get Trump the GOP nomination.
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In that case, I'd like to amend my response to:

Trebuchet said:
He's also the favorite candidate of Trump and the Russians, because they are sure they can beat him.
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Cabbage said:
As I recall, Clinton pulled some strings to help Trump's campaign in 2016 because she was sure she could beat him, too.

How'd that work out?
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Trump was one of the favorite candidates of the Clinton campaign, because they were sure they could beat him, too.

How'd that work out?






As you can see, the point remains very much the same.
 
The very best people:

Newsweek said:
Homeland Security Acting Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli came under fire for asking Twitter if others had trouble accessing Johns Hopkins University's COVID-19 coronavirus map Monday.

"Has the Johns Hopkins map of the coronavirus stopped working for other people, or just me?" Cuccinelli wrote, including a link to the map. "I just tried again, and it looks like Johns Hopkins put the information behind a membership wall of some kind. Seems like bad timing to stop helping the world with this (previously) useful resource. Here's hoping it goes back up soon."
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https://www.newsweek.com/homeland-s...asking-twitter-where-find-coronavirus-1488863

This is the guy in charge of the US coronavirus response.
 
TragicMonkey said:
All these conflicting predictions about Sanders are going to look mighty foolish after President Warren is sworn in.
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That seems quite predictable. It is very obvious.

Sanders gets the nomination. He designates Warren as his Vice Presidential running mate. The electoral map remains the same as 2016 except Sanders flips Florida and Pennsylvania. That gives Sanders 268 electoral votes and Trump gets 269. Because neither candidate reached the required 270 electoral votes, the decision for President falls to the House and Vice President falls to the Senate.

Democrats pick up a couple Senate seats in 2020 resulting in a tie vote. Pence attempts to cast the deciding for himself, which is overturned by the Supreme Court. That leaves the Vice Presidency vacant.

Democrats maintain a substantial majority in the House, but the rules for deciding President are that the Representatives for each state deicide how to cast a single vote for each state. Democrats gain two seats in Florida and one seat in Michigan. That gives 24 states for Trump and 26 states for Sanders. But the liberal House Democrats in California decide to be tricky and refuse to cast a vote. As a result, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi takes over as Acting President.

In the 2022 election, Democrats gain another Senate seat and vote for Warren as Vice President. Republicans regain their seats in Florida and Michigan and cast the required 26 votes for Trump. Having not even realized he could still become President, Trump has been loafing around and is no longer in Presidential condition. This leads to his early demise following an Adderall and hamberder induced heart attack. Vice President Warren is sworn in as President of the United States.

When that happens, all you people with your fancy polls and voter turnout theories are going to look mighty silly.
 
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pgwenthold said:
(They can't even get away with "he didn't claim that Mexico would write a check" or anything like that, because he exactly DID claim that)
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At last check (unintentional)... he actually didn't propose a "check," technically. He proposed a lump sum payment. A payment that we would receive in response to extorting Mexico for it, incidentally, not that that angle received much attention at the time.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
name one.
I'm seriously curious.
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Ivanka
Don Jr

Heck they may even give Eric a go so long as he promises to play the game properly.

Assuming each Trump lasts 12-16 years (two terms in office and one or two terms out of office) then those three give you 36-48 years and by then we could be onto the third generation.
 
The Don said:
Ivanka
Don Jr

Heck they may even give Eric a go so long as he promises to play the game properly.

Assuming each Trump lasts 12-16 years (two terms in office and one or two terms out of office) then those three give you 36-48 years and by then we could be onto the third generation.
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You're kidding, right?
What do you think the Trump kids will do the moment their old man dies?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
You're kidding, right?
What do you think the Trump kids will do the moment their old man dies?
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If they see an opportunity to enrich themselves at the nation's expense, they'll continue his legacy - or more specifically Ivanka will try to continue his legacy, Don Jr. will want to try and Eric may get dragged along for the ride.

If Dubya can become President, so can Eric.
 
The Don said:
If they see an opportunity to enrich themselves at the nation's expense, they'll continue his legacy - or more specifically Ivanka will try to continue his legacy, Don Jr. will want to try and Eric may get dragged along for the ride.

If Dubya can become President, so can Eric.
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I find it likely that the kids will spend their lives trying to live on their Dad's reputation.
I find it extremely unlikely that they will manage to parlay that into political power to any significant degree.
 
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