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What are the finest examples of 9/ll Truther stupidity that you've ever encountered?

Brain S. Staveley doesnt think there were any deaths on 9/11 from the WTC collapsing, thinks the jumpers were faked. Not only that the planes were all CGI/Hologram...and that any plane debris didnt exist, not to mention any and all eyewitnesses are state paid actors.

A quote from his blog:

" The only deaths we saw with our own eyes on 9/11 were the jumpers. Everyone remembers seeing that. Guess where almost all the jumpers came from... Right about the 91st floor. Before everyone jumped they did something very odd. They would all wave their shirt, wait a second then jump when the camera was on them. Just like the Israeli Art students little stunt. Very strange behavior for someone about to jump to their death from a burning building. Come on now. What type of art school is going to have you remove a window on the 91st floor of the trade tower and construct a balcony that would support naked people waving. Not only that but the helicopter??? That's quit the budget the art school has there. These art students were the jumpers from 9/11. It was a special effect. They filmed all that footage leading up to the jump and then just threw out mannequins or filmed in front of a green screen where they added the WTC in the background and they definitely did this in almost all of the pictures, they photoshopped them in there!"
 
Adam Fitzgerald said:
Brain S. Staveley doesnt think there were any deaths on 9/11 from the WTC collapsing, thinks the jumpers were faked. Not only that the planes were all CGI/Hologram...and that any plane debris didnt exist, not to mention any and all eyewitnesses are state paid actors.

A quote from his blog:

" The only deaths we saw with our own eyes on 9/11 were the jumpers. Everyone remembers seeing that. Guess where almost all the jumpers came from... Right about the 91st floor. Before everyone jumped they did something very odd. They would all wave their shirt, wait a second then jump when the camera was on them. Just like the Israeli Art students little stunt. Very strange behavior for someone about to jump to their death from a burning building. Come on now. What type of art school is going to have you remove a window on the 91st floor of the trade tower and construct a balcony that would support naked people waving. Not only that but the helicopter??? That's quit the budget the art school has there. These art students were the jumpers from 9/11. It was a special effect. They filmed all that footage leading up to the jump and then just threw out mannequins or filmed in front of a green screen where they added the WTC in the background and they definitely did this in almost all of the pictures, they photoshopped them in there!"
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Nothing new. This crap has been around over 15 years now.
Don't know any comment except people can believe some really stupid s__t.
 
I've got at UM, indicating that
"There was no Serial Number from the FDR - which was "found" in 3 different locations at various times by several different people - identifying this plane as N644AA. Nor was a Serial Number found on any other piece of wreckage, to confirm that this was N644AA.
According to the official NTSB data, N644AA never left the ground that morning."

If there was no NTSB evidence that the plane never left the ground, then why did they do a report(s) on it?

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/pentagonattackpage2
http://www.911myths.com/AAL77_fdr.pdf
 
I'm so glad this thread exists. I think the stundies are gone and I didn't know where to post this.

I commented on a 9/11 video interviewing pilots who were on duty that day, and predictably a CTer made themselves known, and pretty early on in our discussion delivered this gem:

Monica Palmer said:
OK. My question to you: can you come up with a logical reason why CT-ers would make up stories if it wasn't true? What do they benefit from it? The only thing we get is constant insults. Do you think that's fun for anybody? Are we ALL insane masochist???
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A conspiracy theorist. Who believes 9/11 was a made-up story. Asking. Why. People. Would. Make. Up. Stories.

I quit.

eta: it's in response to my comment reading "Don't want to read the comments thread in case it's full of edgy conspiracy theorists, but this is pretty powerful." in case anyone goes looking.
 
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Safe-Keeper said:
I'm so glad this thread exists. I think the stundies are gone and I didn't know where to post this.

I commented on a 9/11 video interviewing pilots who were on duty that day, and predictably a CTer made themselves known, and pretty early on in our discussion delivered this gem:



A conspiracy theorist. Who believes 9/11 was a made-up story. Asking. Why. People. Would. Make. Up. Stories.

I quit.

eta: it's in response to my comment reading "Don't want to read the comments thread in case it's full of edgy conspiracy theorists, but this is pretty powerful." in case anyone goes looking.
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Wow. The "paid shill" claim turned up rather quickly.
 
I have for some weeks now been writing with rabid Truther Daniel Plesse, who spams spams spams a few FB groups.

For two weeks I asked him to link to a video, with timestamp, where he thinks he can clearly hear explosions just before any of the collapses begins.

For two weeks, he posted very long videos without timestamps, telling me they are "full" with explosion sounds, I should go look for myself.
But I insisted that he find me a timestamp.
He posted several different videos, never any timestamp.
He posted the well know video with rescue workers at a pay phone when a single powerful explosion sound is heard - at a time when no building collapsed.
He posted several linkt to eye witness testimony.

But for two week, he failed to link to explosion sounds, with timestamps, that are consistent with explosive demolition




After more than two weeks, he caved in, sorta: Didn't admit outright that there are zero explosion sounds that are consistent with explosive demolition recorded on any 9/11 video.
But.

He presented a new theory:

That all videos have been edited and the sounds deleted!


:jaw-dropp :D
 
Oh, and the influential Canadian Truther and journalist Craig McKee thought that my claim that when the engine of a 757 collides with anything (columns, ceiling, floor, wall, but also office furniture, even people) inside the Pentagon, it would slow down at least because of momentum transfer.

I now know why he is a Pentagon no-planer and overall Truther: He doesn't understand the very first thing about basic mechanics. His world view is informed solely by imagination plus faith in cherry-picked "experts".
 
Oystein said:
Oh, and the influential Canadian Truther and journalist Craig McKee thought that my claim that when the engine of a 757 collides with anything (columns, ceiling, floor, wall, but also office furniture, even people) inside the Pentagon, it would slow down at least because of momentum transfer.

I now know why he is a Pentagon no-planer and overall Truther: He doesn't understand the very first thing about basic mechanics. His world view is informed solely by imagination plus faith in cherry-picked "experts".
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But it will slow down because of momentum transfer. When the engine collides with the wall inelastically, the fragments of the wall and the fragments of the engine after collision will have momentum, and their total momentum will equal the momentum of the intact engine before collision.

Ergo, all the parts of the engine after collision (except under extraordinary circumstances) will have lesser velocity.

I think you skipped a step somewhere.
 
Oystein said:
After more than two weeks, he caved in, sorta: Didn't admit outright that there are zero explosion sounds that are consistent with explosive demolition recorded on any 9/11 video.
But.

He presented a new theory:

That all videos have been edited and the sounds deleted!


:jaw-dropp :D
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That's a classic truther bait-and-switch; claim that a piece of evidence exists which has been crucial in informing their thinking, then, when asked to produce that piece of evidence, point out that its non-existence doesn't prove anything because it could have been suppressed, then cite that suppression as evidence for the conspiracy theory. It's almost common enough to be named as a new logical fallacy, but I'm not sure what to call it. It goes beyond simple shifting of the burden of proof in that it deliberately begs the question of why they believed this rubbish in the first place.

Dave
 
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It's about the same argument that Craig McKee makes - we can't trust the government, we can't trust the media, so how do we know we have all the evidence?

The burden of proof will never be met since it's based on the 'no evidence is good enough' rule.
 
Can't trust the media or the gov? So everything that they say, report, publish is completely false? Could it be 98% true? 80% true? Discard everything?
 
JSanderO said:
Can't trust the media or the gov? So everything that they say, report, publish is completely false? Could it be 98% true? 80% true? Discard everything?
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According to the former head of the American CIA, William Casey, the answer is 100 % . From his own mouth:


“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” _William Casey

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Dearest Fonebone - great to see you here. Might you share a source for that quotation please? I would love to see it in context. Thank you in advance.
 
Fonebone said:
According to the former head of the American CIA, William Casey, the answer is 100 % . From his own mouth:


“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” _William Casey

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And the 9/11 Truth Movement is the vanguard of the American public! :thumbsup:
 
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Oystein said:
I have for some weeks now been writing with rabid Truther Daniel Plesse, who spams spams spams a few FB groups.
For two weeks I asked him to link to a video, with timestamp, where he thinks he can clearly hear explosions just before any of the collapses begins.
For two weeks, he posted very long videos without timestamps, telling me they are "full" with explosion sounds, I should go look for myself.
But I insisted that he find me a timestamp.
He posted several different videos, never any timestamp.
He posted the well know video with rescue workers at a pay phone when a single powerful explosion sound is heard - at a time when no building collapsed.
He posted several linkt to eye witness testimony.
But for two week, he failed to link to explosion sounds, with timestamps, that are consistent with explosive demolition

After more than two weeks, he caved in, sorta: Didn't admit outright that there are zero explosion sounds that are consistent with explosive demolition recorded on any 9/11 video.
But.
He presented a new theory:
That all videos have been edited and the sounds deleted!

:jaw-dropp :D
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Perhaps you missed this post Qystein
"HUGE EXPLOSION !!! Raining debris down on all of us "_n.j. Burkett on
live TV as the WTC2 south tower disintegrates into a neat pile of dust and steel
in the background.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=12818365#post12818365

First 30 seconds into the interview NJ Burkett screams into his microphone !
 
carlitos said:
Dearest Fonebone - great to see you here. Might you share a source for that quotation please? I would love to see it in context. Thank you in advance.
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Always happy to comply with reasonable requests Carlitos. Complete with context.


http://truthstreammedia.com/2015/01...ything-the-american-public-believes-is-false/

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I am the source for this quote, which was indeed said by CIA Director William Casey at an early February 1981 meeting of the newly elected President Reagan with his new cabinet secretaries to report to him on what they had learned about their agencies in the first couple of weeks of the administration. The meeting was in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House, not far from the Cabinet Room. I was present at the meeting as Assistant to the chief domestic policy adviser to the President. Casey first told Reagan that he had been astonished to discover that over 80 percent of the ‘intelligence’ that the analysis side of the CIA produced was based on open public sources like newspapers and magazines. As he did to all the other secretaries of their departments and agencies, Reagan asked what he saw as his goal as director for the CIA, to which he replied with this quote, which I recorded in my notes of the meeting as he said it. Shortly thereafter I told Senior White House correspondent Sarah McClendon, who was a close friend and colleague, who in turn made it public.”
— Barbara Honegger
 Not only does Honegger claim he said it, but apparently he said it in response to what he saw as his goal as CIA Director!
This statement was further backed by an email posted by Quora user Greg Smith from Honegger regarding the quote which is consistent and apparently prompted her to tell the story above:
“Seriously — I personally was the Source for that William Casey quote. He said it at an early Feb. 1981 meeting in the Roosevelt Room in the West Wing of the White House which I attended, and I immediately told my close friend and political godmother Senior White House Correspondent Sarah McClendon, who then went public with it without naming the source… “


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Fonebone< You're welcome
 
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